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The fact that I can't romance Nok-Nok is deeply upsetting to me.
I cannot wait for this game to come out!!
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Love the art and companions. Crossing my fingers this game lives up to the greatness inherent in its potential!
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Who are the artists?
I think all of the companion portraits are by this artist.
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Yeah, I'm gonna be honest Paizo Publishing, I don't like any of them. There are too many evil and chaotic neutral based characters and don't even get me started on the undead elf who worships a goddess of disease and misery (I'm sure the townsfolk of the Barony will just LOVE her to PIECES, probably by chopping her to pieces and then burning the remains).
Even the good aligned ones are lackluster to me (of which there seem to be only two) and even then we don't get a Paladin. Not to mention we only get one companion of each Core race which is very disappointing. I was hoping for more variety and choice and a greater number to choose from. I am very glad however that we can create our own party without these characters.
"So three clerics, a bard, and a fighter walk into a bar..."
-A party setup you can actually have with the core NPCs, and also the start of a probably very funny joke.
I like the art a lot, and since I'm running iron gods, I'll probably want both of the numerians in my party. Also Linzi because Bards, and Anri because Barbarians.
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Yeah, I'm gonna be honest Paizo Publishing, I don't like any of them. There are too many evil and chaotic neutral based characters and don't even get me started on the undead elf who worships a goddess of disease and misery (I'm sure the townsfolk of the Barony will just LOVE her to PIECES, probably by chopping her to pieces and then burning the remains).
Even the good aligned ones are lackluster to me (of which there seem to be only two) and even then we don't get a Paladin.
Personally, I see the lack of a paladin as an advantage. And the ones prone to moralizing at you do so because of their personalities and personal history rather than a 2 letter code stuck on their character sheet.
But as far as Good goes, there are at least 3 (not sure on alignments of the goblin or gnome), but Linzi, Ekundayo and Tristian are all Good.
Plus at least a couple can be alignment shifted (one step).
Though to be honest, I don't think it was up to Paizo. Double checking lore and mechanical changes, yeah. But not story/character bits.
Given that they picked up Chris Avellone as a writer, I'm a little surprised all the characters are relatively relatable (well, probably not Nok-nok), and not just philosophical concepts repeating a catchphrase.
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I'm a little more puzzled that there are so few full casters and they're both clerics. Octavia comes preset as rogue/wizard, which is a little annoying. (granted, arcane trickster comes at no effort, but still)
No romancing Nok-Nok? Or Amiri?
ALAS.
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I hope it’s an option to ban or flat-out kill the undead Urgathoan murderer. Even if her art is awesome (like all of them). I could accept a redemption story that starts out like this, but it doesn’t sound like one.
Would have hoped Valerie had actually become a Paladin! :P I guess I’ll have to play him myself, then...
Looking forward to it!
Super excited by this but wish it was coming to consoles as well. Yes I know its heresy to say so lol. I used to be a hardcore PC gamer then tempered into a couch console gamer as I got older. Wont stop me from picking this up however.
Yeah, the cleric of Groetus reminds me of Troy’s character in Raiders of the Lost Continent! He’s a definite pick.
Some of them look interesting, for sure.
As is, I won't get to play this for some time, so I guess I'll reserve final judgement until later.
Cannot wait to play!
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Yes, the Padishah of Kelesh, well-known for producing... fair-skinned blondes?
It's highly possible there's a background reason for that.
Failing that, all sorts of people live all over Golarion. Why does he have to be a typical member of the populace? Most places in Golarion aren't known for having a large half-orc population, but that's never stopped me from playing one.
Aw, the least interesting characters have romance options. But at least we got Amiri!
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Would have hoped Valerie had actually become a Paladin! :P
There are backstory reasons going on there. The snippets I've seen are actually fairly interesting.
It's always weird when settings based around a big pantheon behave like monotheists. A cultural stumbling block of the writers, usually
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Super excited by this but wish it was coming to consoles as well. Yes I know its heresy to say so lol. I used to be a hardcore PC gamer then tempered into a couch console gamer as I got older. Wont stop me from picking this up however.
Nah I think it's legit wish, lots of similar games have eventually come to console. But it'll come down to sales and time and I vaguely remember owlcats touching on this but their focus is computer release. I'm just happy they included a Mac version :-)
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I'm rather impressed with the diversity of alignments in your companions!
Especially since most games just give you a bland variety of five Goody Paladin/Wizard/Clerics, one Chaotic Neutral Rogue, and a single Evil Barbarian/Antipaladin that stands in the corner and doesn't have a single reason to even be in the same room as the rest of the party but they had to add at least ONE evil companion, but inevitably is programmed to betray you if you don't talk to them, which they never encourage you to do.
Sorry, it always bothers me when evil Characters are an afterthought! They might be the majority of the foes you fight, but if they're well written they have their reasons for acting the way they do, or believing what they believe. When my Character becomes King/Queen, I want to hear all of the advice/opinions, not just those who match my own corner of the chart.
When my Character becomes King/Queen, I want to hear all of the advice/opinions, not just those who match my own corner of the chart.
I have a feeling you will like this game ;)
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Yes, the Padishah of Kelesh, well-known for producing... fair-skinned blondes?It's highly possible there's a background reason for that.
Failing that, all sorts of people live all over Golarion. Why does he have to be a typical member of the populace? Most places in Golarion aren't known for having a large half-orc population, but that's never stopped me from playing one.
Sure, but given that there's only one non-white character (other than the green ones) wouldn't it be better to have a Keleshite human that actually looks Keleshite, and still has an interesting background.
Different ethnicities reside in different parts of both Earth and Golarion. White people live in Africa, Black people live in America, people of Indian descent live in London, and perhaps not everyone from Kelesh has to conform to stereotypes of what a Keleshite is "supposed" to look like.
I suspect focusing on the ease of travel and immigration in the modern world rather than 'hey, this cast of characters could have been slightly more diverse' is missing the point.
Especially since the Golarion fiction I've read is pretty keen on describing a lot of lands as fairly insular with strong ethnic identities. People react to characters as Chelish (or 'Chels'), or Varisians or what-have-you, and if a Keleshite human was born and raised in Ustalav, the neighbors would definitely still refer to him as 'the Keleshite.'
Nothing I've seen about not-Egypt, Katapesh or wherever else suggest the Keleshites would behave differently- Tristian would be treated as Taldane or Ulfen or whatever ethnicity he actually is.
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Yes, the Padishah of Kelesh, well-known for producing... fair-skinned blondes?
There are 11 non-Kelish ethnicities mentioned as living in the sprawling Padishah of Kelish. Not unbelievable that one of the is fair-skinned. He could also be from a Ulfen family living in the Padisha as well. Nobody is scratching their head about Ekundayo coming from Absalom.
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He could also be from a Ulfen family living in the Padisha as well. Nobody is scratching their head about Ekundayo coming from Absalom.
We're not arguing that it's impossible, but rather that it's a bad choice.
As for Ekundayo: Absalom is a melting pot. If he hailed from the Lands of the Linnorm Kings, people would in fact scratch their heads at the choice.
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He could also be from a Ulfen family living in the Padisha as well. Nobody is scratching their head about Ekundayo coming from Absalom.We're not arguing that it's impossible, but rather that it's a bad choice.
As for Ekundayo: Absalom is a melting pot. If he hailed from the Lands of the Linnorm Kings, people would in fact scratch their heads at the choice.
Whether it's a "bad choice" or not is purely a matter of opinion, but I'm guessing you wouldn't have had a problem if they had a dark-skinned character hailing from a region traditionally associated with light-skinned residents. Quite the contrary, you and others would likely be trumpeting and celebrating the "diversity" and how "progressive" the choice was.
Paizo has had dark-skinned people in light-skinned areas, and light-skinned people in dark-skinned areas. I don't have a problem with either of those, in fact I think its a good thing. My problem is that Paizo's ratio of light-skinned characters in darker-skinned areas is vastly higher than the reverse, (only 3 out of 8 iconics from Garund are black) and this sample of characters pushes that ratio higher. Ekundayo comes from Absalom, an area with no native population that is therefore very ethnically diverse, but whoever wrote this felt they needed to specify that he was from a Garundi family, whereas Tristian comes from Kelesh, an area with a majority population that does not look like him, and yet the writer did not take any space to specify his origins.
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As mentioned above, multiple ethnicities reside in Kelesh, and imagining one as light skinned doesn't exactly strain credulity. Let's be open-minded.
Can you think of a real-life pale blonde ethnicity native to a desert country?
The name Tristian clearly implies that he’s not even culturally Keleshite. Now, if his migrant background had somehow informed his backstory, or if he had actually traveled to Keleshite lands to study Sarenrae’s worship in its heartland, that would actually have been interesting.
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Again, my problem isn’t that there is a white person from a majority-Keleshite country. My problem is that there is not also a Keleshite person from an Avistani country, a trend that is often repeated in Paizo prducts and media in general. By doing this, the game deprives a group of people of representation without adding any.
And yes, real world sensitivities about race are relevant, since 1. Go Latino is heavily based on the real world, and 2. this game is made and played by real world people who hold real world biases and sesnsitivites. Lack of diversity and/or whitewashing are legitimate concerns, and ones the people at Paizo clearly care about. (If I thought they didn’t, I wouldn’t be posting about this. I also wouldn’t really be interested in playing this game.
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Go Latino
*Golarion. Autocorrect is fun!
I don't disagree with anything you're saying there Sara. I just think these parts of your post contain broadly applicable wisdom that bears the emphasis of being repeated.