Ouch, the Sorcerer wants to shield bash with the shield spell...


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SHIELD ACTIONS

The shield spell works like a shield, which grants bonuses to AC
and TAC. You can use these actions while shield is active.

RAISE A SHIELD
Requirements You are wielding a shield.
You position your shield to protect you. When you have Raised
a Shield, you gain its bonus to AC and TAC as circumstance
bonuses and you can use the Shield Block reaction (below). Your
shield remains raised until the start of your next turn.

SHIELD BLOCK
Trigger While you have your shield raised, you take damage from
a physical attack.
You snap your shield in place to ward off a blow. Your shield
prevents you from taking an amount of damage up to the
shield’s Hardness—the shield takes this damage instead, possibly
becoming dented or broken. See the Item Damage section on
page 175 for rules on dented and broken items.

One of my players has decided that the wording means he can shield bash with the spell, until proven otherwise, I have said no...


That's pretty creative. I'd be inclined to allow it. A shield bash isn't a very powerful weapon anyway, so he wouldn't be doing any more damage than he could do with a damage.

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Shield spell wrote:
You raise a magical shield of force to protect you. This counts as using the Raise a Shield action (see the sidebar) to gain a +1 circumstance bonus to AC until the start of your next turn, though it doesn’t require a hand to use.While the spell is in effect, you can also use the Shield Block reaction with your magic shield. The shield has Hardness 4. After you use Shield Block, the spell is dismissed and you can’t cast it again for 10 minutes. Unlike a normal Shield Block, you can use the spell’s reaction against the magic missile spell.

You are not wielding the shield, which means you can't make attack with it.

In fact it doesn't say that you have a shield, it says that the spell counts as a Raise a Shield action and that you can now use the Shield block reaction while the spell is in effect.

As an additional interesting but non relevant point, a shield with no attack attachment is considered an improvised weapon.

If he argues with you that it is a shield, you can answer him that if he thinks it's a shield it means you have to apply proficiency to it. That means that since sorcerers are untrained with shields, raising a shield gives +1 circumstance bonus with a - 2 untrained proficiency, thus reducing his AC by 1 each time he uses it.

Conclusion: The spell count as a raise the shield action but hopefully for wizard and sorcerer, it is not a shield but a spell.


which of those two actions is he claiming allow a shield bash?


The weapon you can attack with is the shield boss or shield spike, not the shield itself. The shield spell does not have either of these things, so therefore you cannot bash with it.

Dark Archive

Is he aware he can kick for the same damage as most shield bashes?


Arachnofiend wrote:
The weapon you can attack with is the shield boss or shield spike, not the shield itself. The shield spell does not have either of these things, so therefore you cannot bash with it.

While I don't believe you can bash with a shield spell, you can definitely bash with an actual shield with no boss or spike.

page 177 wrote:

Attacking with a Shield

If you attack with a shield, treat it like an attack with an improvised weapon (see page 178). This deals the heavy shield bash damage or light shield bash damage (as appropriate to the shield’s type) listed on Table 6–5: Martial Melee Weapons on page 180.

If you want to reliably use your shield to attack, you need to buy and attach a shield boss or shield spikes to the shield. These work like other weapons, and can even be etched with runes (see page 370).


A Fist is an agile, finesse, d4 nonlethal weapon.
A Light Shield Bash is an agile d3 improvised weapon.
A Staff (any spell-staff anyway) can be used to cast Shield, and the attacked with as an expert d4 weapon.

Just remind him that making an Unarmed (or staff) Strike with the 'free-hand' used to cast the spell does more damage than using a light shield to bash with would have. The Shield spell isn't conjuring a literal shield you can wield anyway, it is a floating, semi-transparent field of force with the durability of a soap-bubble. Unlike a real shield, a shield spell pops regardless of how little damage the blocked attack caused compared to the shield spell's hardness.

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