oh god that was just aweful
Nightwing for some reason channelling Jason Todd
Dove...DOVE?! slashing people with wing blades and claws? I mean Hawk sure, but Dove?
That was pretty terrible. Starfire didn't look ANYTHING like Starfire, and yeah Nightwing/Robin channeling Jason Todd/Dark Knight Returns kind of Robin...And for a while there I thought Beast Boy was the son of the Joker.
This is going to be...not good.
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To be fair, Starfire's appearance is probably the least horrible thing about that whole trailer
Yeah this is bad.
Love ttg parodies though. Their parody of young justice was HILARIOUS.
watched 3 episodes now. anyone else seen it yet?
Its Dark even for a DC series. I still can't figure out what there doing with starfire. The actress seems ok actually. She has that kind of amused aloofness that makes me think of Star but she should really change out of the Russian cocktail waitress costume.
Hmm maybe. i also see why they only call it Titans (No teen) half the team is to old for it to be teen titans. Its weird that raven seems to be the youngest by quite a bit but robin is I think suppose to be in his mid 20's. maybe its the dress but Starfire seems like she could be in her 30s.
Its to dark for me. I'll continue watching but I won't be happy about it.
Donna does indeed look good. It took me a second to realize that Dick wasn't talking to Alfred...
I got the S1 DVD last week and bine watched it over the weekend. Overall it's not bad and I look forward to season 2.
The issues I did have are mostly nitpicks but I did find some of these fairly distracting:
Starfire's magenta hair; and to a lesser extent, her age relative to the others. (Anna Diop is 31 and looks it; Brandon Thwaites is 30 but can pass for early-mid 20's.)
I also wasn't crazy abut the amnesiac assassin business. Kind of felt like the writers had no idea what to do with her. I did like the actress; some less garish costume choices would probably have made me like the character more, but comics Starfire is problematic.
I appreciate the need to save on special effects, but still disappointed that Gar can only change into a tiger. Perhaps this will expand in S2?
I liked Hawk and Dove(I and II) very much. Great casting, nice backstories. My one problem with that is that as far as I could tell Don was killed after a single outing as Dove.
I was, let's say, unable to warm to Jason Todd, which I expect was the idea.
I love Hawk and Dove.
I have a distinct preference for Hawk II and Dove II, however. Loved their team.
There's a Hawk II?
Cori,
Not sure how I feel about having Deathstroke be greater than Trigon...other than I think it's more appropriate since there's a lot of history there.
Hasn't their been like 4 sets of hawk and dove?
To be fair, Trigon bores me too. But then again when my 'heroes' for villains in life are Thanos, Apocalypse, and Kang...it's kind of hard to get excited for a triple eyed demon...
Hasn't their been like 4 sets of hawk and dove?
As out of touch as I am, I'm only aware of one Hawk and two Doves, even in the comics. But when I asked about Hawk II, I only meant in the show.
Hasn't their been like 4 sets of hawk and dove?As out of touch as I am, I'm only aware of one Hawk and two Doves, even in the comics. But when I asked about Hawk II, I only meant in the show.
Their has definitely been at least 3. Their was the brothers (Last name Hall) Then dove was replaced with Dawn, Then Dawn's sister holly took over has Hawk, Then their was Sasha and wiley who I think are the current set.
I always felt like their powers were kind of unimpressive considering they are granted to them by gods. That and being in the same universe as the justice league.
To be fair, Trigon bores me too. But then again when my 'heroes' for villains in life are Thanos, Apocalypse, and Kang...it's kind of hard to get excited for a triple eyed demon...
Trigon to me felt like DC trying to make a Galactus. all powerful world devouring entity with a herald that turns against him. Although he is kind of combined with Dormamu in some ways.
I always thought he was an attempt do to Dormammu mixed with some kind of space demon. But eh.
Look all I know is they should have started out with some other way to introduce Raven rather than go full bore with Daddy's coming.
...and some other way to introduce Kori rather than amnesiac assassin.
...and for that matter, although I'm okay with the notion of Dick leaving Gotham because he felt like he was becoming "too Batman", even Batman never put a batarang through someone's eye. (I mean, okay, that I know of. Obviously I haven't ready every issue of every Batman title.)
Anyone watching Season 3 of this? Took me awhile to see and get into this. I have a love-hate relationship with the show... there's some really interesting takes on characters and I can deal with the grittier edge even if I also like more colorful shows... but like many Berlantiverse shows, character/character sensibility is often sacrificed for plot, which Dick suffers from the most, regressing or doing something dumb just to make something dramatic happen. Donna was also badly done, being more like "What If Jessica Jones was an Amazon?" But I like Raven, Gar, Starfire, and Dove. The take on Connor is very different from the comics but his initial story was really cool (not sure I like him as much in Season 3).
Season 3 so far wants too hard to be actually a Bat-family show rather than Titans but I am intrigued where it's going, especially with Starfire's plot. New episode tomorrow. Anyone else watching?
I'm still sticking with it, despite not understanding why they make some of the narrative choices they make.
I get drawing inspiration from Battle for the Cowl, and from Death in the Family - but placing the instances of them days apart removes the narrative weight of either.
The Batman leaving town thing was so patently out of character I'm not entirely convinced it isn't an elaborate sting.
As for Conner, I think they made a smart choice to avoid his 90's and New 52 origins which both require a stronger Superman presence. He's almost a direct lift from the Young Justice animated series, and I think that works for simplicity sake. Also because in a world where THAT Batman exists, I'm sort of scared to see their take on Superman.
I think the Season 3 failing is that they are trying to make a Nightwing show into a Titans show. Everybody except Dick feels like they have nothing to do.
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Not only does putting the resurrection of Jason right after his death remove the weight of it, the show removed Jason's motivations completely in becoming the Red Hood. Because the whole point is that he becomes Red Hood because when he comes back Joker is still alive and still murdering people. If Bruce actually does kill Joker for killing Jason, then there's no reason for Jason to be Red Hood.
I think there's about a 50% chance Bruce is playing a long game. I only put it this low because of the way this show seems to work.
Once I saw this whole episode was one long Jason flashback I stopped watching. Shame, I dug last week's episode pretty good. But I got so sick of Jason last season, was hoping he really got shot last episode. Let me know if I missed anything actually important to the rest of the story of the Titans.
Last two eps were much better I thought. I am a huge fan of Oracle from the comics, so I really loved seeing Barbara kick ass both in the past and present. I like that the actress, while not paraplegic, is disabled and, based on interviews, committed to showing what a chair-bound superhero looks like. Not that this alone should qualify her to play the character as well, but she is a good performer.
The Starfire/Darkfire plot continues to be good as well.
Man, they teased with making me think Jason was dead again. FFS guys, just f+&%ing kill him already, please.
This is not my favorite take on Jonathan Crane--love his genius, but he doesn't feel like Scarecrow to me. Hard to put my finger on why.
I hope they give Beast Boy more to do. Given how underused he is, he feels like they should have put him in Doom Patrol (which is where Beast Boy originally comes from in comics and he seems better suited to a pack of weirdos, and he was great in the episode that was Doom Patrol's backdoor pilot) and put Cyborg in Titans (where his powers could be used more often, as well as his tech skills).
DQ,
Maybe because this one doesn't feel scary? I dunno...
I do wish that Oracle had been Oracle and not Brother Eye.
I enjoyed the train episode too. I actually had a dream once about a very similar train... like, I dreamed I was dead and I was on a train with people from all these other time periods. *insert Twilight Zone theme here* I haven't always liked Hank but it was a good episode for him and a good chance to say goodbye.
I agree with Hama about the love-hate relationship.
Yesterday's episode wasn't awful but there were a lot of predictable beats, and the whole police attacking the Titans thing was just stupid. I cannot buy that, no matter how much money they were offered--by an ill-tempered 15 year old no less--they would willingly attack a walking star goddess and a Kryptonian-powered clone, let alone the rest of them, when the Commissioner told them they were showing up to surrender. And if they don't trust Barbara, she's a worse commissioner than I thought she was. And why is she not just already getting herself a supercomputer and hacking and out-thinking Crane? For god's sake if you're gonna throw Barbara Gordon into a show, make her Barbara F+#~ing Gordon!
I really like Ronnie from Schitt's Creek-as-the-Chief (I cannot remember her character's actual name) and fear she is going to die tragically very soon.
I really don't like this show's take on Themyscira. Amazons are typically depicted as disciplined, but they are not supposed to have that long a stick up their ass, and it's really weird how Lydia talks about people in man's world as "humans," like she isn't one. Unless this show is doing some really weird origin for the Amazons, they are human, just granted immortality by the gods (or by a god, often Aphrodite, depending on the version). They may certainly see themselves as superior to those who dwell in Man's World, but she was talking about them like they were different species. I also continue to question their decision to interpret Donna as "what if Jessica Jones were Donna Troy?"
I continue to enjoy the subplot with Kory and Komand'r. Although at this point, I am thoroughly on Darkfire's side and I'm not sure that's the intention.
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I thought this season was pretty decent, but the longer it drags on the less I like it. I think my real problem is…..
(a) It seems uncharacteristic of Batman to completely abandon everything, especially with the knowledge that Jason is still alive, Crane is on the loose, and Gotham is in such terrible danger.
(b) I’ve always though Dick was way more of a team player and less of a go it alone type. It’s what made him a great leader.
Otherwise, I’m still disappointed Hank stayed behind. It would have been cool to see him come back, maybe with the super powers he should have had all along.
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I feel like they don't know what to do with Dick, other than make him decide he has to suffer something alone and then others suffer for it.
They either needed to do way more with the Bruce storyline or eliminate it completely. I like the idea of a Bruce who is really seriously contending with mental health issues, but they're doing such a half-baked job of it. That we have not yet seen what came of him after Donna rescued him is just weird, and it's hard to tell if they are just dropping that plot or planning some big Batman ex machina later.
The main storyline is getting more and more contrived--the crowd turns against Nightwing because of one badly made political hate ad? Nightwing just turns his back on a guy with a gun? Connor is going to stay benched because Reasons?
Crane is still the least Scarecrowy Scarecrow who has ever Scarecrowed, and why Jason hasn't just killed him yet in a rage I don't get.
The high point on the other hand continues to be Kory's subplot--I know this strays a good way away from her comic story but I'm genuinely interested to see where it leads, and I like that Rachel and Gar are working together again and Rachel is much more confident with her use of powers. Donna and Tim I am also enjoying and I am looking forward to the Donna + the 100 against the Scarecrow's Army.
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Yeah, there are a lot of individual elements about this show I like in a vacuum, like Gar and Conner and Kory and Blackfire and Donna, but dayum, as a whole, this show just isn't gelling. It's like a half-dozen good ingredients got shoved into a blender and now it's just some nasty tasting sludge.
One thing I'm sure about, is that a 'Titans' show could benefit from about 97% less Batman. (And like almost every other actor on this show, the dude playing Bruce is killing it, I just wish he wasn't in *this* show, both for this shows sake, and for his sake, since he, like most of the cast, is too darn good for this dumpster fire.)
But hey, the casting director for this show? They were on point.
And the people who do costumes, also great, particularly this season two Kory outfit, which is smokin.'