Air Leap? But why though?


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

I just can't wrap my head around the purpose of this and similar abilities.

Acrobatics clearly states that you are limited to just your movement speed in any given round for distance allowed in a jump.

So rarely are you above 30ft and for most your likely 20ft because of armor.

Yet there are a number of abilities that give you big bonuses to this skill check. If your dex heavy, 3 or 4 levels in with a dip in Kineticist with Air Focus... You can meet 20 to 30 ft in a jump without spending much.

So I'm not sure entirely the point beyond early level use. Is that maybe the intent?

The Ninja, the Kineticist, and I'm sure there are some spells for it. But beyond dipping a little and going purely monk because of the increases in movement speed... why would you? Is there maybe a feat or something out there that bypasses the limit on it? Or are these abilities just so you don't have to bother putting points into the skill? I assume I answered it for myself there. As just an option for people wanting to allocate points elsewhere? Or... am I just misunderstanding the ability all together?


High wise jumping is very hard. You need a very high number to jump 10 feet vertically. This would allow that.

Starting with a running jump is also a massive factor.


So, you need to succeed a DC40 check to make a 10 foot vertical leap. If we assume that movement speed vertically is halved just like for flight, then 15ft vertically or a DC60 acrobatics check is the max most characters can achieve.

Monks are different however in that they can achieve a movement speed of 90ft normally at high level, and up to 120ft with the Sudden Speed Ki Power. This allows them to jump up to 60ft vertically. Of course, to achieve that they would need to succeed at a DC240 acrobatics check. Needless to say, that is impossible but lets see how close we can get.

Our base speed of 90ft gives us +24 to our acrobatics. So we've got a max of +44 on a roll of a 20. High Jump costs you 1 Ki Point and as a level 20 Unchained Monk it gives you +30 to your acrobatics check. Now we can reach +74. Sudden speed costs another ki point and gives us +30ft to our movement speed, so we gain another +12. We are up to 86. A ring of jumping gets us up to 96, a Rod of Balance gets us up to 106. Boots of Vaulting get us up to 116. An elixer of agility alongside an elixer of forceful exhelation gets us another +6 for a 122 acrobatics check. An exlixer of tumbling gets us up to 132. A sufficiently strong caster or wand of Jump gets us another +30, so we're up to 162. Slap on some cybernetic legs and we've got us up to 172. The soaring sprinter trait ups that to 174, the Totem Spirit feat gets us up to 176, Planar Infusion gets us to 178, Acrobatics gets us to 182, skill focus to 188. A masterwork tool pushes us to 190. Then we add in 20 ranks of acrobatics to get us to 210, another +3 from it being a class skill as a monk for 213. Then we get to add in our dexterity modifiers and our wisdom modifiers (Monkey Style feat) to get, oh, lets say +14 from +7 to Dex and +7 to Wisdom. So we achieve, on a natural 20, a roll of 227. That divided by 4, gets us 56 feet, or just over a 55ft straight up in the air.

However, with the Wind Leaper feat you can treat vertical jumps the same as horizontal jumps. This allows you to cut down that 60ft vertical jump down to a DC60 acrobatics check. Which, thanks to all those acrobatics modifiers, is easily achievable. Especially since Wind Leaper gives +10 to your acrobatics checks, pushing our maximum up to 237 or just 3 short of making our 60ft vertical leap even without having any uses of Wind Leaper available.

I'm sure someone can come up with another +3 to your acrobatics, assuming I haven't mucked up and stack unstackable bonuses, but I have work to do.

So, all these modifiers exist to allow Monks to make 60ft vertical leaps!

The more you know.


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Not all longjumps take place in combat


After a time, rarely are you limited to 30'/20', thanks to haste, various magic items, and so on. Also note that the limit is your maximum movement for the round, not your movement speed; this is generally double your movement speed, assuming you're hustling. Arguably, you can actually long-jump four times your movement speed since you're running (six if you have the Run feat). That's 120' for the average human wearing normal clothing without any particular feats. You'd need pretty crazy Acrobatics to jump that far.


Elixir of tumbling and boots of striding and springing, and then you start jumping a lot higher and farther.


Those bonuses dont stack that elixir wouldn't be worth the cost


Per Jumping and Falling, you are limited to:

Jump DC Modifiers wrote:
No jump can allow you to exceed your maximum movement for the round.

Per Movement, you are limited to:

Run wrote:
Run (x4) – Moving four times speed is a running pace for a character in light, medium, or no armor ( about 12 miles per hour for an unencumbered human, or 9 miles per hour for a human in chainmail) See Table: Movement and Distance for details.

So, for a standard unencumbered character, with a move of 30', the max move per round is 120'. So you can jump 120' max.

A ninja's ki pool halves the jump DC. They also count as having a running start if they have a ki point available. The Acrobatic Master trick gives a +20 acrobatics. The High Jumper trick halves the DCs on vertical jumps.

The Akitonian Blade triples the result of the acrobatics roll for jumping.

The Jump spell gives +10/20/30 to jumping.

/cevah

Liberty's Edge

Wait wait wait.
So I think everyone in my area has this wrong then.
Your maximum movement for a round that can't be exceeded is not your movement speed but is up to what you could achieve if you took a full run and doesn't use up more then the move action or standard action to accomplish it?

Example: You have 30ft movement, and you jump and make 60ft worth. You would not be required to use both actions in the move, to move the full distance?


guys...

nothing in Acrobatics sets a maximum distance for your jump except your check.

Da Rulez wrote:
No jump can allow you to exceed your maximum movement for the round.

meaning you can jump as high or as far as your jump check allows, but you can't move more than [the distance the actions you took warrant]* in a round.

so if you have a move speed of 30 and make a DC 300 jump check (i'm intentionally exaggerating though i know it's possible to get really high jump checks) with your 10 ft running start, you can move 110 (30x4-10) more ft this round. next round you continue flying through the air another 120 ft, and the third round you land after flying another 70 ft.*

* - whether or not you have more actions when you land based on distance travelled doesn't seem to be covered by the rules. they're also a little vague about whether or not the running start required for normal jump DCs also obligates a full round of movement like the run action (since the acrobatics check is made as part of some other action).

Liberty's Edge

cuatroespada wrote:

guys...

nothing in Acrobatics sets a maximum distance for your jump except your check.

Da Rulez wrote:
No jump can allow you to exceed your maximum movement for the round.

meaning you can jump as high or as far as your jump check allows, but you can't move more than [the distance the actions you took warrant]* in a round.

so if you have a move speed of 30 and make a DC 300 jump check (i'm intentionally exaggerating though i know it's possible to get really high jump checks) with your 10 ft running start, you can move 110 (30x4-10) more ft this round. next round you continue flying through the air another 120 ft, and the third round you land after flying another 70 ft.*

* - whether or not you have more actions when you land based on distance travelled doesn't seem to be covered by the rules. they're also a little vague about whether or not the running start required for normal jump DCs also obligates a full round of movement like the run action (since the acrobatics check is made as part of some other action).

I know I brought this up to my local GMs/VAs/VC. Mostly because I stumbled into a thread that discussed the idea that you might be able to keep flying through the air between rounds, before landing based on your check. However, they all came to an agreement that it in fact means that you can't exceed your movement speed in a given round and that the check wouldn't allow for that.

--actually which brought me to my question initially. Because of the strange triple or double your jump check powers that wouldn't make since to be limited to just 30ft. However I really do think the run speed and only as part of your move makes a lot of sense.

Though if I was GMing I'd totally be behind letting a player fly through the air over multiple rounds ha ha ha. >-> Also make it count as being flat footed. *coughs*


By-Tor Snowdog wrote:
However, they all came to an agreement that it in fact means that you can't exceed your movement speed in a given round and that the check wouldn't allow for that.

right... you don't exceed your movement speed in any given round. you don't have to, you fly through the air at a rate of your movement speed until you reach the limit imposed by your jump check.

to be fair, i realize you're saying that they came to the conclusion that the result of the jump check is limited by your movement speed, but that's only one valid interpretation of what the words say. neither their consensus nor their perceived authority makes that interpretation more correct than mine.


As I linked above, the distance limit is not based on speed. It is based on how far you can move in a round. [Not in an action.] The Run feat lets you move 5xSpeed, normal is 4xSpeed.

If you can use the Cheetah's Sprint spell, you can get 10xSpeed.

/cevah

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