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Does this mean that I use my character level to meet fighter level prerequsites? Or are those prerequisites simply ignored altogether?
I love the idea of playing a Ganzi character with Penetrating Strike and Greater Penetrating Strike at 3rd level, or some similar combo of feats normally restricted to very high level fighters.
I am of the opinion that you still have to have the required levels, even if they’re not in Fighter. I know that’s RAI rather than RAW, but I couldn’t imagine a GM going with the alternative.
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Now that is a REMARKABLY poorly worded Rule.
FAQing this
Either this treats the Character Level/HD as Fighter Levels to qualify for Feats /OR/ This lets the character ignore all Fighter Level Requirements for ALL feats (Meaning a level 1 Human Character can pick up Shield Focus & Tower Shield Specialist)
I agree its poorly worded, and easily could have been worded better. I would go with Hewick's say. Changes from Nth fighter levels to Nth HD or class levels
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What are some other great options, combos, or outright abuses?
Armor/Shield Material Expertise and Armor/Sheild Material Mastery from the Armor Master's Handbook are kind of interesting I think, provided you can get special materials at low levels. As mentioned, Tower Shield Specialist also has a lot of possibility.
Looks like nearly every feat in that book has the "base attack bonus +X or fighter level Y" prerequisite wording.
What are some other great options, combos, or outright abuses?
Armor/Shield Material Expertise and Armor/Sheild Material Mastery from the Armor Master's Handbook are kind of interesting I think, provided you can get special materials at low levels. As mentioned, Tower Shield Specialist also has a lot of possibility.
Looks like nearly every feat in that book has the "base attack bonus +X or fighter level Y" prerequisite wording.
I forgot about the “BAB +X or Fighter level Y” feats. I’ve been eyeing the fighter only ones, like Penetrating Strike and Pin Down.
That presents an interesting conundrum though, since they say “or.” Wouldn’t you have to satisfy the BAB requirement?
What are some other great options, combos, or outright abuses?
Armor/Shield Material Expertise and Armor/Sheild Material Mastery from the Armor Master's Handbook are kind of interesting I think, provided you can get special materials at low levels. As mentioned, Tower Shield Specialist also has a lot of possibility.
Looks like nearly every feat in that book has the "base attack bonus +X or fighter level Y" prerequisite wording.
I forgot about the “BAB +X or Fighter level Y” feats. I’ve been eyeing the fighter only ones, like Penetrating Strike and Pin Down.
That presents an interesting conundrum though, since they say “or.” Wouldn’t you have to satisfy the BAB requirement?
Yes, you'd have to satisfy the BAB requirement because those aren't feats normally "only" available to Fighters.
Yes, you'd have to satisfy the BAB requirement because those aren't feats normally "only" available to Fighters.What are some other great options, combos, or outright abuses?
Armor/Shield Material Expertise and Armor/Sheild Material Mastery from the Armor Master's Handbook are kind of interesting I think, provided you can get special materials at low levels. As mentioned, Tower Shield Specialist also has a lot of possibility.
Looks like nearly every feat in that book has the "base attack bonus +X or fighter level Y" prerequisite wording.
I forgot about the “BAB +X or Fighter level Y” feats. I’ve been eyeing the fighter only ones, like Penetrating Strike and Pin Down.
That presents an interesting conundrum though, since they say “or.” Wouldn’t you have to satisfy the BAB requirement?
Unless it gets errata'd/homebrewed to be "treat all your levels as fighter levels for purposes of feat prereqs" as has been repeatedly suggested. That closes off getting Pin Down etc at 1st level, but opens up getting "BAB +X or Fighter Y" at Yth.
EDIT: If the latter is undesirable (I'm not sure), the fix could instead be "treat your BAB as your fighter level." Full-BAB Ganzi could still get things at Yth instead of Xth level, but ganzi wizards would have to wait a while (though not as long as non-ganzi wizards).
That presents an interesting conundrum though, since they say “or.” Wouldn’t you have to satisfy the BAB requirement?
That depends on your interpretation of ""
It looks to me like the racial trait qualifies you for the fighter level portion automatically, thus making it so you don't need to qualify for the base attack portion (since it says "or").
The relevant text differs from my original turnover, so I don't have much input to offer here. Allowing ganzi to ignore other prerequisites certainly wouldn't have been my intention (and I doubt it was the intention of the developer); however, I'm afraid I don't have any insight into the subject.
I recommend keeping an eye on PFS Campaign Clarifications to see how they handle it, if at all. ^_^
Wow yeah that's a tough one
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The relevant text differs from my original turnover, so I don't have much input to offer here. Allowing ganzi to ignore other prerequisites certainly wouldn't have been my intention (and I doubt it was the intention of the developer); however, I'm afraid I don't have any insight into the subject.
I recommend keeping an eye on PFS Campaign Clarifications to see how they handle it, if at all. ^_^
Thank you for writing a SUPER COOL race! I’m going with your reading, and I appreciate you contributing :D
In the interest of full disclosure, the ganzi predate my writing, having originally appeared in Distant Shores. ^_^
Couple of questions
1. Are these availble as a race in PFS?
2. How do you determine which oddity they get?
3. And is there already a PFS thread discussing how this would work if it is available to Players?
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1: Yes, with the combination of certain aasimar and tiefling boons.
2: We don't know yet, as none of the material from Planar Adventures is legal yet; at present, ganzi uses the statistics presented in Distant Shores.
3: No; the material needs to be legalized for PFS first (at which point, the Campaign Clarifications document will presumably address this).