Blood Arcanist and Blood Havoc / Intensity / Piercing mutagens


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It specifically says for Sorcerer bloodlines

'Bloodline Mutagens" wrote:
Bloodline Mutations: Although heirs to similar arcane bloodlines may share commonalities, the unique circumstances in which a bloodline enters a bloodrager or sorcerer’s lineage can result in the manifestation of particularly strange or unusual bloodline powers known as mutations. Whenever a bloodrager or a sorcerer gains a new bloodline power, she can swap her bloodline power for a bloodline mutation whose prerequisites she meets. Once this choice is made, it cannot be changed, and a bloodrager or sorcerer cannot swap a bloodline power that she has altered or replaced with an archetype for a bloodline mutation. A bloodrager need not be in a bloodrage to use her bloodline mutation powers. Alternatively, a bloodrager or sorcerer can select a bloodline mutation in place of a bloodline bonus feat, provided her class level is at least equal to the level of the bloodline ability the mutation normally replaces. The list of bloodline mutations can be found here.

Would this prevent a Blood Arcanist archetype from getting Blood Havoc, Blood Intensity, or Blood Piercing Mutagens?

Furthermore, is there any reason why you couldn't go Crossblooded Orc/Drac(Red) Sorcerer1/Blood Arcanist (Elemental:Fire)19 and get Blood Havoc, Blood Intensity and Blood Piercing mutagens?

Essentially, you'd gain a +3 per damage die for Fire-based blasting spells, and a +2 per damage die for all other blasting spells?


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Bloodline Mutations: Although heirs to similar arcane bloodlines may share commonalities, the unique circumstances in which a bloodline enters a bloodrager or sorcerer’s lineage can result in the manifestation of particularly strange or unusual bloodline powers known as mutations. Whenever a bloodrager or a sorcerer gains a new bloodline power, she can swap her bloodline power for a bloodline mutation whose prerequisites she meets. Once this choice is made, it cannot be changed, and a bloodrager or sorcerer cannot swap a bloodline power that she has altered or replaced with an archetype for a bloodline mutation. A bloodrager need not be in a bloodrage to use her bloodline mutation powers. Alternatively, a bloodrager or sorcerer can select a bloodline mutation in place of a bloodline bonus feat, provided her class level is at least equal to the level of the bloodline ability the mutation normally replaces. The list of bloodline mutations can be found here.

One potential problem I see is that Blood Arcanists might not qualify for Bloodline Mutations; They're not a bloodrager or a sorcerer.


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ConfusedPeon wrote:
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Bloodline Mutations: Although heirs to similar arcane bloodlines may share commonalities, the unique circumstances in which a bloodline enters a bloodrager or sorcerer’s lineage can result in the manifestation of particularly strange or unusual bloodline powers known as mutations. Whenever a bloodrager or a sorcerer gains a new bloodline power, she can swap her bloodline power for a bloodline mutation whose prerequisites she meets. Once this choice is made, it cannot be changed, and a bloodrager or sorcerer cannot swap a bloodline power that she has altered or replaced with an archetype for a bloodline mutation. A bloodrager need not be in a bloodrage to use her bloodline mutation powers. Alternatively, a bloodrager or sorcerer can select a bloodline mutation in place of a bloodline bonus feat, provided her class level is at least equal to the level of the bloodline ability the mutation normally replaces. The list of bloodline mutations can be found here.
One potential problem I see is that Blood Arcanists might not qualify for Bloodline Mutations; They're not a bloodrager or a sorcerer.

So would it be possible to go Crossblood Orc/Drac(Fire) Sorcerer1 / Bloodrager1 - Blood Havoc, and 18Arcanist, and then gain the benefit of +3 damage per die on fire spells, then +2 to all other spells?


Ryze Kuja wrote:
ConfusedPeon wrote:
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Bloodline Mutations: Although heirs to similar arcane bloodlines may share commonalities, the unique circumstances in which a bloodline enters a bloodrager or sorcerer’s lineage can result in the manifestation of particularly strange or unusual bloodline powers known as mutations. Whenever a bloodrager or a sorcerer gains a new bloodline power, she can swap her bloodline power for a bloodline mutation whose prerequisites she meets. Once this choice is made, it cannot be changed, and a bloodrager or sorcerer cannot swap a bloodline power that she has altered or replaced with an archetype for a bloodline mutation. A bloodrager need not be in a bloodrage to use her bloodline mutation powers. Alternatively, a bloodrager or sorcerer can select a bloodline mutation in place of a bloodline bonus feat, provided her class level is at least equal to the level of the bloodline ability the mutation normally replaces. The list of bloodline mutations can be found here.
One potential problem I see is that Blood Arcanists might not qualify for Bloodline Mutations; They're not a bloodrager or a sorcerer.
So would it be possible to go Crossblood Orc/Drac(Fire) Sorcerer1 / Bloodrager1 - Blood Havoc, and 18Arcanist, and then gain the benefit of +3 damage per die on fire spells, then +2 to all other spells?

If I understand correctly what you're asking, no. There are restrictions that need to be followed when multiclassing between a hybrid class and a parent class:

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Parent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme. While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don’t stack unless specified.


ConfusedPeon wrote:
Ryze Kuja wrote:
ConfusedPeon wrote:
Quote:
Bloodline Mutations: Although heirs to similar arcane bloodlines may share commonalities, the unique circumstances in which a bloodline enters a bloodrager or sorcerer’s lineage can result in the manifestation of particularly strange or unusual bloodline powers known as mutations. Whenever a bloodrager or a sorcerer gains a new bloodline power, she can swap her bloodline power for a bloodline mutation whose prerequisites she meets. Once this choice is made, it cannot be changed, and a bloodrager or sorcerer cannot swap a bloodline power that she has altered or replaced with an archetype for a bloodline mutation. A bloodrager need not be in a bloodrage to use her bloodline mutation powers. Alternatively, a bloodrager or sorcerer can select a bloodline mutation in place of a bloodline bonus feat, provided her class level is at least equal to the level of the bloodline ability the mutation normally replaces. The list of bloodline mutations can be found here.
One potential problem I see is that Blood Arcanists might not qualify for Bloodline Mutations; They're not a bloodrager or a sorcerer.
So would it be possible to go Crossblood Orc/Drac(Fire) Sorcerer1 / Bloodrager1 - Blood Havoc, and 18Arcanist, and then gain the benefit of +3 damage per die on fire spells, then +2 to all other spells?

If I understand correctly what you're asking, no. There are restrictions that need to be followed when multiclassing between a hybrid class and a parent class:

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Parent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme. While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don’t stack unless specified.

Right, but these redundant abilities aren't necessarily applicable, as we're talking about Bloodlines. There's no verbage, at least that I know of, that restricts someone from gaining multiple bloodlines from multiple classes. Is this right/correct?


Copied from the Bloodrager bloodline explaination: If the bloodrager takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of the classes must change. Subject to GM discretion, the bloodrager can change his previous bloodline to make them conform.

And from the Blood Arcanist Bloodline: If the blood arcanist takes levels in another class that grants a bloodline, the bloodlines must be of the same type, even if that means that the bloodline of one of her classes must change. Subject to GM approval, the blood arcanist can change her previous bloodline to make them conform.


From what I see its possible to get +1 damage from Orc Bloodline to all of your spells. You get another +1 for spells that conform to your Dragon type energy. Then you can Blood Havoc to get a +1 to Bloodrager/Sorcerer spells that come from your bloodline or you have Spell Focus(school) feat.

So as an Archanist you can qualify for the Orc and Draconic Blood Arcana, but only your 1st level Sorcerer spells would actually qualify for the bonus from Blood Havoc. Yes Archanis spells are selected from the Wizard/Sorcerer list, but that isn't good enough. It has to be spells cast from the Sorcerer or Bloodrager class.

And just to emphasize this, Crossblooded is not a Bloodline. It is an Archatype of Sorcerer. So if you went Blood Archanist you should be forced to select 1 blood type, since Crossblooded isn't a type its not a valid selection, though I could see a GM letting you continue to use it without alteration.

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