What's the most overpowered monster?


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Title says it all.


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No, really, title doesn't say it all. Overpowered *how*? Like highest CR creature in Pathfinder? Most difficult for the CR? Most overpowered ability? Mythic? Non-mythic? Gods? Homebrew? Why even ask this question?

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Jack Handey (Saturday Night Live) wrote:
Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see.


I meant most overpowered for its CR


Shadows


Anything that can quickly start a death spiral, such as:

Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Shadows


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The small aether elemental is pretty ridiculous for CR 1, with flight, blindsense, telekinesis, natural invisibility, and multiple ranged attack options.

A winter hag with a couple hag or witch minions gets access to a free unlimited-use full-round action simulacrum. At CR 7, that's got to be one of the most overpowered abilities in the game.


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Avoron wrote:

The small aether elemental is pretty ridiculous for CR 1, with flight, blindsense, telekinesis, natural invisibility, and multiple ranged attack options.

A winter hag with a couple hag or witch minions gets access to a free unlimited-use full-round action simulacrum. At CR 7, that's got to be one of the most overpowered abilities in the game.

Oh boy oh boy. Now you have ∞ hag covens.


Yqatuba wrote:
I meant most overpowered for its CR

Any Full Caster, but especially Arcane ones.


I'm partial to The Mantis God, myself. XD It's just flat-out immune to lethal damage from things that aren't at least demigods. Between that, high CR, and some nasty tricks... it's pretty brutal.


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Housecat wins CR 1/4th by a long distance. Like Shadows, various swarms are pretty nasty to low level characters if they aren't prepared.


Tooth fairies are pretty brutal for their CR, and I love them.

Shadows or ghouls definitely come to mind here. Wights are pretty savage with their level drain at APL3 or so.

Low level encounters are in general swingy-er. In the RotRL game I'm playing in we absolutely steamrolled the shadow factory with almost no STR damage. But we've almost TPK'd against the goblin ghasts below Foxglove Manor. 3/4 of the party got paralyzed.

High level encounters tend to favor the PCs as they have more resources at their disposal.

Semi-related: I've always wanted to run a 1st level party against a witch (crazy cat lady) and her army of murderous housecats.

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Aerial Creature Leech Swarms?
CR 5, 2d6+1d6 electric swarm attack
Plus Blood Drain(1d3 Str & Con damage no save)
Plus Poison(1d4 Dex drain)
Fly 30', Stealth +16(+24 in swam)
DR 3/-, Immune Weapons, Resist 15 Electric


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deuxhero wrote:
Housecat wins CR 1/4th by a long distance.

I dunno, there are some pretty tough CR 1/4 critters out there.

To start with, the skunk has stats pretty much identical to the cat, except it also has a ranged musk spray that hits on an 8 and the cat needs a 10 to save against. The nausea on a failed save is basically a death sentence, and even on a success they're still sickened.

Then there's the king crab or creeper ivy, either of which will succeed on its grapple check on a 2 and knock the cat unconscious from constrict damage on the second turn.

The scarlet spider might just win through hit-and-run tactics alone - it hits the cat on a 7 while the cat needs a 14 to hit back, the spider has 1 more hp, and as long as the spider keeps moving the cat can't get off a full-attack. Plus there's that Str poison that incapacitates on three failed saves to discourage the cat from just sitting there.

The porcupine beats the cat in the greatest way possible: any attack the cat makes will hurt itself just as much, and the porcupine has more hp and a solid tail attack to help speed things along. A cat is likewise helpless against a pufferfish despite its lack of natural weapons or a land speed. The lich newt could win through a similar mechanism, though not as efficiently - the cat might knock it unconscious before succumbing to the poison, though it certainly won't kill it, and the newt will recover more quickly.

The nymph water strider has a flight speed and 5-ft. reach, so it can just beat down the cat while swooping by from above without even entering its space. Likewise, the pyrausta can just strafe the cat from the air with its breath weapon, or just swoop down with Flyby Attack. Even if the cat readies an attack and gets lucky, it won't matter with the pyrausta's fast healing. It can also just set the ground on fire with its at-will spark.

Finally, the mite and the tooth fairy are both entirely immune to all of the cat's attacks, and thus can take their leisurely time stabbing it to death or stealing it's teeth.


Anemos maybe? With their ridiculous range, and powerful special attacks, anemoi can crush things way out of their nominal weight category without breaking a sweat.


Worm that walks can be a pretty broken template - since you can add it to any spellcaster, no matter how low the initial CR. Damage reduction 15, some fast healing, immune to a lot of things, transform into a swarm etc. etc..


deuxhero wrote:
Housecat wins CR 1/4th by a long distance.

Kobolds are CR 1/4, have better AC and HP, have darkvision, don't have the disadvantage of 0-foot reach, can make ranged attacks, and can craft traps. And they have better teamwork than the average cat.

Conclusion: the Kobold is the most overpowered being in the universe.


The joke in our Lodge is that the Wall of Names has a whole panel dedicated to pathfinders killed by the minotaur at the end of Confirmation, so I'm tempted to throw in a vote for the mighty minotaur....at least in 1st level evergreen scenarios....


I've been killed by or committed more TPKs by swarms than anything else, so they get my vote.


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most common and deadly, Ghouls

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