using a buckler...is it possible to THF while TWFing?????


Rules Questions


Does the combination of the following feats allow a character to twf while thf?

For example: Dahario swings his bastard sword twice in a two-handed overhead chop at the vile orc and then smashes the orc with his buckler(twf) pushing it back 10ft(Shield slam/free action bullrush)

buckler:
Benefit: This small metal shield is worn strapped to your forearm. You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an offhand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. This penalty stacks with those that may apply for fighting with your off hand and for fighting with two weapons. In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand, you lose the buckler’s Armor Class bonus until your next turn. You can cast a spell with somatic components using your shield arm, but you lose the buckler’s Armor Class bonus until your next turn. You can’t make a shield bash with a buckler.

upsetting shield style:
You can strike at weapons to upset enemy attacks.
Prerequisite(s): Dex 13, proficiency with bucklers.
Benefit(s): You can shield bash with a buckler as if it were a light shield, and you can use the buckler in conjunction with any feats or abilities that normally apply to light shields. While using this style, whenever you successfully deal damage to an opponent with a shield bash using your buckler, that opponent takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls made against you until the start of your next turn.

unhindering shield:
Prerequisite(s): Shield Focus, base attack bonus +6 or fighter level 4th, proficiency with bucklers.
Benefit(s): You still gain a buckler’s bonus to AC even if you use your shield hand for some other purpose. When you wield a buckler, your shield hand is considered free for the purposes of casting spells, wielding weapons, and using any other abilities that require you to have a free hand or interact with your shield, such as the swashbuckler’s precise strike deed or the Weapon Finesse feat.
Special: A monk with this feat is not considered to be using a shield for the purposes of his AC bonus, fast movement, or flurry of blows.

shield slam:

In the right position, your shield can be used to send opponents flying.
Prerequisites: Improved Shield Bash, Shield Proficiency, Two-Weapon Fighting, base attack bonus +6.
Benefit: Any opponents hit by your shield bash are also hit with a free bull rush attack, substituting your attack roll for the combat maneuver check (see Combat). This bull rush does not provoke an attack of opportunity. Opponents who cannot move back due to a wall or other surface are knocked prone after moving the maximum possible distance. You may choose to move with your target if you are able to take a 5-foot step or to spend an action to move this turn.

I suppose a character with IUS could thf with a great sword and twf to get an additional unarmed attack. Any reason a character with twf and unhindering shield couldn't do the same?


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Probably wouldn't be intended, as a similar situation involving TWF with Armor Spikes was FAQ'd not to work with a two-handed weapon.


A brawler can flurry with a Close Greatsword and he can wear a buckler for the flavor.


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

You can do it with alchemist extra arm.


As written, you would need the TWF feat and take a -2 on your attacks rolls. You treat the buckler as a light shield/weapon for the sake of bashing, so as long as you are using TWF and taking the appropriate penalties, nothing stops this from working... at least not in the way TWF is written, that I can see.


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Something something metaphorical hands.


LeMoineNoir wrote:
Probably wouldn't be intended, as a similar situation involving TWF with Armor Spikes was FAQ'd not to work with a two-handed weapon.

was hoping to use free actions to ungrip and shield bash

Thanks for the link....certainly seems relevant....disappointing but relevant


The Thunderstriker Fighter reads "The thunderstriker adopts an unusual fighting style, gripping a heavy weapon with both hands and switching to a defensive posture with weapon and buckler, lashing out with the shield with surprising speed and power." This seems to suggest switching stances rather than getting both. With a thunderstriker and your feat, you could twf with a bastard sword and buckler with great effect. Another option would be to find a way to one hand a two handed weapon, feats or Titan Mauler.


I want to like thunderstriker but I just can't. It's features are very lackluster compared to just investing one feat in unhindering shield.

In looking to thf with a one handed weapon (long or bastard)... Not wield a greatsword one handed (titan mauler)

But thanks for the suggestions


VoodistMonk wrote:

As written, you would need the TWF feat and take a -2 on your attacks rolls. You treat the buckler as a light shield/weapon for the sake of bashing, so as long as you are using TWF and taking the appropriate penalties, nothing stops this from working... at least not in the way TWF is written, that I can see.

That's what I was thinking but that pesky spiked armor faq is raining on my parade


blahpers wrote:
Something something metaphorical hands.

Metaphysical or as BBT would say on everythread for 2 years after

HAAAAANNNDSSS!!!!


The only legal way to occupy 3 metaphorical hands I have found so far (this was for PFS so I consulted multiple VOs to be sure it worked) involved a 1 H weapon, a large shield, and a dwarven boulder helmet for two weapon fighting.


No


RealAlchemy wrote:
The only legal way to occupy 3 metaphorical hands I have found so far (this was for PFS so I consulted multiple VOs to be sure it worked) involved a 1 H weapon, a large shield, and a dwarven boulder helmet for two weapon fighting.

How were you attacking?

TWF with Helmet and 1-H? All good only using 2 hands of effort.

TWF with all three following normal attack progression IE 1 pair of attacks per Iterative? Still good since your maintaining the hands of effort balance of 1.5 total Iterative STR damage without additional feats.

TWF but gaining extra attacks for a third weapon.......Your doing it wrong.


Talonhawke wrote:
RealAlchemy wrote:
The only legal way to occupy 3 metaphorical hands I have found so far (this was for PFS so I consulted multiple VOs to be sure it worked) involved a 1 H weapon, a large shield, and a dwarven boulder helmet for two weapon fighting.

How were you attacking?

TWF with Helmet and 1-H? All good only using 2 hands of effort.

TWF with all three following normal attack progression IE 1 pair of attacks per Iterative? Still good since your maintaining the hands of effort balance of 1.5 total Iterative STR damage without additional feats.

TWF but gaining extra attacks for a third weapon.......Your doing it wrong.

2WF with axe and helmet using improved 2WF, double slice, and 2 weapon rend, and using the shield for defense only with shield focus and greater shield focus. Weapon and shield ranger fighting style.


Works perfect and only occupying 2 of your metaphysical hands of effort.

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Card Game Subscriber

Dwarven Boulder Helmet, requires dwarven racial weapon use and does lackluster damage.

no free action buckler swap and bash with TWF, the FAQ is from 2013...

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