paizo.com Recent Posts in Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?paizo.com Recent Posts in Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?2018-06-21T17:18:14Z2018-06-21T17:18:14ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?DCIIhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#362018-06-22T21:58:28Z2018-06-21T20:42:54Z<p>I am happy to work with you to help you come up with some ideas. </p>
<p>My observation wasn't meant to demoralize you further or dismiss you, it was simply to show that while one area feels like its sliding, one is on the upswing and there are often times no good rhyme or reason for one or the other. I can make some educated guesses based on information you provide and will absolutely work with you to come up with some solutions for your area. </p>
<p>If you can provide me with some of the promotional things you are currently doing I can offer suggestions and there are some great threads offering suggestions for VO to promote the OP as well that I can point you to. </p>
<p>Some ideas I would throw out include: participation in the RSP program, look for alternate venues to place promotional adverts like libraries, bookstores, comic stores, (any where you might find gamers hanging out), go to conventions with promotional materials as well, even those without gaming such as fandom, comicbook, sci-fi, historical, literary. There is a great resource I use to look for conventions in the Southeast - <a href="http://www.southernfan.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Southeastern Fandom</a>.</p>
<p>I saw this post at the end of my day so don't have a lot of time to respond so if you would like I would recommend e-mailing me and cc-ing your VO and we can think about other great ideas that may help you.</p>I am happy to work with you to help you come up with some ideas.
My observation wasn't meant to demoralize you further or dismiss you, it was simply to show that while one area feels like its sliding, one is on the upswing and there are often times no good rhyme or reason for one or the other. I can make some educated guesses based on information you provide and will absolutely work with you to come up with some solutions for your area.
If you can provide me with some of the promotional...DCII2018-06-21T20:42:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?trollbillhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#352018-06-25T19:52:26Z2018-06-21T16:15:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Delbert Collins II wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Meanwhile, just south of Melbourne in Plantation they have gone from 1 table to 3 tables per session rapidly and are struggling with keeping up with the GM demand with 8 new players just last month. Its weird how one area can drop off and another booms but it just goes that way.
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</blockquote><p>Del, I have been debating whether to respond to this publicly because I really don't want to add to the drama that has been on these boards lately, but then it occurred to me that maybe that is exactly why I should, as this goes very much to the heart of volunteer morale, and morale is a public issue, not a private one. Also, while I have likely met you in my long history of organized play, I apologize if I do not specifically recall ever working with you.
<p>But to the heart of this post. I made a post indicating my area was struggling. I would have expected a reply from my RVC to be helpful, either directly offering some assistance, offering suggestions/advice, or, at the very least, offering words of encouragement. Instead, what I got was a casual dismissal of my problems with a response that came across as, “Well, that sucks for you, but since other areas are doing well, I don’t really care.” To say the least, I was very disappointed at your response. And if this is a typical response to issues in your area, I am beginning to understand why there appears to be a morale problem amongst the volunteers. I am hoping your response to this will dispel both my own apprehension and those of others reading it. Thank you ahead of time for your response.</p>Delbert Collins II wrote:Meanwhile, just south of Melbourne in Plantation they have gone from 1 table to 3 tables per session rapidly and are struggling with keeping up with the GM demand with 8 new players just last month. Its weird how one area can drop off and another booms but it just goes that way.
Del, I have been debating whether to respond to this publicly because I really don't want to add to the drama that has been on these boards lately, but then it occurred to me that maybe that...trollbill2018-06-21T16:15:18ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Slymehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#342018-06-19T02:30:44Z2018-06-19T02:30:44Z<p>My mistake, I thought one of the 5-6 tables was another high tier table. I know the non-seeker tables were getting far more of the seeker assist tokens than they could handle. </p>
<p>I know several people only came to the event because they could play their higher level characters that they only get to play like 1-2 times a year due to the lack of high level tables/content.</p>My mistake, I thought one of the 5-6 tables was another high tier table. I know the non-seeker tables were getting far more of the seeker assist tokens than they could handle.
I know several people only came to the event because they could play their higher level characters that they only get to play like 1-2 times a year due to the lack of high level tables/content.Slyme2018-06-19T02:30:44ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Athos710https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#332018-06-18T20:08:53Z2018-06-18T20:08:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Slyme wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I know locally that when seeker level content gets run, people come out of the woodwork for it, travel in from 100 miles away, etc. We had a small local con last month that ran one of the big multi-table specials which had seeker tier stuff...we ended up with like 4 seeker tier tables, 1 low tier, and one mid tier.</p>
<p>People are absolutely starved for level 12+ play (even more so for level 15+, I think all but one of the seeker tables was level 15 characters), and will travel an hour or two just to get a chance to play it. </blockquote><p>It sounds like you're talking about Mallicon in Cincinnati. For Siege of the Diamond City we had:
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14-15 table (there was one 13th at the table of 6) everyone from Cincinnati/Dayton area
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12-13 table (with two 11s) 2x people from southern Kentucky, 1x from Indianapolis
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a 3-4 table, and two 5-6 tables. I was the Overseer GM.</p>
<p>I'm not arguing that Seeker level stuff doesn't draw people. It did not draw them to our event in the way you described.</p>Slyme wrote:I know locally that when seeker level content gets run, people come out of the woodwork for it, travel in from 100 miles away, etc. We had a small local con last month that ran one of the big multi-table specials which had seeker tier stuff...we ended up with like 4 seeker tier tables, 1 low tier, and one mid tier.
People are absolutely starved for level 12+ play (even more so for level 15+, I think all but one of the seeker tables was level 15 characters), and will travel an...Athos7102018-06-18T20:08:53ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Christopher Waterfieldhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#322018-06-18T19:16:35Z2018-06-18T19:16:35Z<p>Our small corner of Ohio has been steadily growing over the last 3 months. For years, our weekly events could only support one table. For the last several weeks, we have had enough participants to support 2 PFS/SFS tables, and are on the brink of adding a third table.</p>
<p>We are slowly adding more SFS events, as more GM's and players are becoming more comfortable with the rules set.</p>
<p>This surge in growth has coincided with the departure of a disruptive player, who has been a long-term participant in our local RPG community.</p>Our small corner of Ohio has been steadily growing over the last 3 months. For years, our weekly events could only support one table. For the last several weeks, we have had enough participants to support 2 PFS/SFS tables, and are on the brink of adding a third table.
We are slowly adding more SFS events, as more GM's and players are becoming more comfortable with the rules set.
This surge in growth has coincided with the departure of a disruptive player, who has been a long-term...Christopher Waterfield2018-06-18T19:16:35ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Dustin Knight (Developer)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#312018-06-18T05:16:58Z2018-06-18T05:16:58Z<p>We continue to run an average of maybe 3.5 tables of Pathfinder Society per month.</p>
<p>Our veterans are desperate to play some 7-11 and 12+ material. But we have new players and it seems like so many of the newer scenarios are 1-5.</p>
<p>We lost all three conventions in the last year and a half due to the economy. In addition, many of our regular players can no longer play with us due to personal reasons vaguely related to the current state of the world.</p>
<p>With PF2 looming, our veteran players seem to be thinking more about potential new PF2 characters, so are less eager to make new tier 1-2 PCs to help support the growth of new players we've been experiencing since we shifted our primary venue.</p>
<p>But our Lodge is doing well! We switched primary venues last year and our new venue recently doubled in size! We get to play up front in a section of the store that is far less noisy and crowded, with great lighting and awesome support from our staff (who is very appreciative of the retailer support program).</p>
<p>Our local Adventuring League got burned out from the lack of character options (or so I've been lead to believe by the poor guy who signed up to run tables at Gnomecon and didn't see a single one fire).</p>
<p>I'm starting to convince more players that rules bloat is a myth debunked with communications and trust exercises between players and GMs. Paizo and the AR has done an excellent job minimizing the "power impact" of new options, especially over the last three years.</p>We continue to run an average of maybe 3.5 tables of Pathfinder Society per month.
Our veterans are desperate to play some 7-11 and 12+ material. But we have new players and it seems like so many of the newer scenarios are 1-5.
We lost all three conventions in the last year and a half due to the economy. In addition, many of our regular players can no longer play with us due to personal reasons vaguely related to the current state of the world.
With PF2 looming, our veteran players seem to...Dustin Knight (Developer)2018-06-18T05:16:58ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Slim Jimhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#302018-06-18T04:15:34Z2018-06-18T04:15:34Z<p>There's only a half or a third of the activity in the messagebases as their used to be.</p>There's only a half or a third of the activity in the messagebases as their used to be.Slim Jim2018-06-18T04:15:34ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Slymehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#292018-06-18T19:09:06Z2018-06-18T02:25:09Z<p>I know locally that when seeker level content gets run, people come out of the woodwork for it, travel in from 100 miles away, etc. We had a small local con last month that ran one of the big multi-table specials which had seeker tier stuff...we ended up with like 4 seeker tier tables, 1 low tier, and one mid tier.</p>
<p>People are absolutely starved for level 12+ play (even more so for level 15+, I think all but one of the seeker tables was level 15 characters), and will travel an hour or two just to get a chance to play it.</p>I know locally that when seeker level content gets run, people come out of the woodwork for it, travel in from 100 miles away, etc. We had a small local con last month that ran one of the big multi-table specials which had seeker tier stuff...we ended up with like 4 seeker tier tables, 1 low tier, and one mid tier.
People are absolutely starved for level 12+ play (even more so for level 15+, I think all but one of the seeker tables was level 15 characters), and will travel an hour or two...Slyme2018-06-18T02:25:09ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?dinketryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#282018-06-17T20:51:58Z2018-06-17T18:02:29Z<p>I'd say that numbers are largely similar here on the south island of New Zealand as they were 3yrs ago with the exception of the loss of our regular ACG group. I agree with the comment of 5e play as a gateway drug: I've converted at least three separate groups who started playing [something else] first, and then switched over to Pathfinder with some help and proselytism. We've also had success in starting up a regular group in our capital city (that's Wellington).</p>
<p>I find that our biggest problem is keeping Pathfinder stock available. Our two gaming stores seem to have no problems with having 5e stuff on the shelves, but I have to ask them specifically to order Pathfinder stuff. I think having that stuff on hand would help us greatly with the yearly influx of Uni students looking to roll some dice.</p>
<p>I do think that that might be an untapped way in for college students - each year as the new students flock to our campus, we have massive student-run organisation fairs. Providing some product (like a free RPG day-style package) for the students at these fairs (and in the first few weeks of their groups' meetings) would ensure that they weren't mucking around with some other system before becoming Paizo devotees. Just an idea...</p>
<p>Lastly, I think many people shift back and forth between gaming store groups and home groups, and this shift might make it appear that there are less gamers. I have been quite impressed with the amount of Pathfinder Society being played by some home groups in the area, along with a devoted Starfinder group. Gamers don't stop gaming; they just get comfortable inviting people into their homes.</p>I'd say that numbers are largely similar here on the south island of New Zealand as they were 3yrs ago with the exception of the loss of our regular ACG group. I agree with the comment of 5e play as a gateway drug: I've converted at least three separate groups who started playing [something else] first, and then switched over to Pathfinder with some help and proselytism. We've also had success in starting up a regular group in our capital city (that's Wellington).
I find that our biggest...dinketry2018-06-17T18:02:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Arcaianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#272018-06-17T09:01:37Z2018-06-17T09:01:37Z<p>My area down in Canberra, Australia has definitely not seen noticeable decrease in PFS counts since I started. I started relatively recently - started playing PPFRPG (my first tRPG really) in mid 2015, and took on a position as VA by mid 2016. My events are run at a university, which gives us a definite advantage - we have a lot of semi-casual players. When I first started, we were doing around 2 tables a slot, with two slots every two weeks. We're now doing closer to 4 of PFS, and ~2 or so SFS - SFS definitely has room to grow, we're struggling for GMs there. Depending on the uni situation, we have pretty decent amounts of GMs - around exam time, we often struggle a bit. We also run Adventurer's League, and see similar or slightly smaller attendance there, though with generally pretty different crowds of people attending AL to PFS and SFS (which have a lot of shared players and GMs).</p>
<p>We do have a bunch of players that started in s0/s1/s2, and then a bunch that started in s5 or so when the club started to increase in size, and then many that started in the seasons since then. It makes co-ordinating game choices a little tricky, but it's been manageable for me.</p>
<p>The other areas in Canberra, however, have had some issues - game stores closing down, demand reducing, and the like. The fresh supply of uni students keeps us with constant recruits (regularly around ~10 or so people try at the start of each semester) and keeps us growing strong.</p>My area down in Canberra, Australia has definitely not seen noticeable decrease in PFS counts since I started. I started relatively recently - started playing PPFRPG (my first tRPG really) in mid 2015, and took on a position as VA by mid 2016. My events are run at a university, which gives us a definite advantage - we have a lot of semi-casual players. When I first started, we were doing around 2 tables a slot, with two slots every two weeks. We're now doing closer to 4 of PFS, and ~2 or so...Arcaian2018-06-17T09:01:37ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Secanehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#262018-06-13T16:51:06Z2018-06-13T16:51:06Z<p>When PFS in my area first started, we have games constantly. Often ever day of the week. This made PFS very accessible for everyone and we have a large number of players.</p>
<p>One of the biggest issues we are facing now is that we can't run games all the time anymore. Older players can't replay scenarios, so they only sign up for newer scenarios. This also means that older players have a hard time playing with newer players and can't easily pass on their knowledge of the game.</p>
<p>Newer and older players do get to play together when new scenarios are ran, which means only about 1 game or so per week. Most GMs rarely run earlier seasons scenarios now. There often just isn't enough interest to do so.</p>
<p>I know replayability have been brought up before. If PFS is to stay competitive, it may seriously want to consider opening up scenarios to allow some level of replayability and get more people back on to PFS.</p>
<p>On a whole is not that my local PFS community want to be less active, but we simply can't be as active as before.</p>When PFS in my area first started, we have games constantly. Often ever day of the week. This made PFS very accessible for everyone and we have a large number of players.
One of the biggest issues we are facing now is that we can't run games all the time anymore. Older players can't replay scenarios, so they only sign up for newer scenarios. This also means that older players have a hard time playing with newer players and can't easily pass on their knowledge of the game.
Newer and older...Secane2018-06-13T16:51:06ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Wicked Brewhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#252018-06-12T23:59:37Z2018-06-12T23:59:37Z<p>I am curious what the growth numbers are for PbP games. Anecdotally, it seems that there are more people playing PFS PbP then ever before.</p>I am curious what the growth numbers are for PbP games. Anecdotally, it seems that there are more people playing PFS PbP then ever before.Wicked Brew2018-06-12T23:59:37ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Mimo Tombleburhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#242018-06-12T22:33:30Z2018-06-12T22:33:30Z<p>I know an additional factor for us locally has been the particular burn-out experienced players have felt from the high ratio of low level adventures, i.e. only getting 4 level 7-11 adventures a year. I am hopeful Season 10's focus on higher level stories will return some people to regular play.</p>I know an additional factor for us locally has been the particular burn-out experienced players have felt from the high ratio of low level adventures, i.e. only getting 4 level 7-11 adventures a year. I am hopeful Season 10's focus on higher level stories will return some people to regular play.Mimo Tomblebur2018-06-12T22:33:30ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Mimo Tombleburhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#232018-06-12T21:48:40Z2018-06-12T21:45:16Z<p>I'll just note that at the PaizoCon Banquet, Tonya did say we need to grow (twice). That made me wonder how stagnant, or regressive, we had become. </p>
<p>As Bob has said above, locally we just seem to gain enough people to make up for those we lose.</p>I'll just note that at the PaizoCon Banquet, Tonya did say we need to grow (twice). That made me wonder how stagnant, or regressive, we had become.
As Bob has said above, locally we just seem to gain enough people to make up for those we lose.Mimo Tomblebur2018-06-12T21:45:16ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Secanehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#222018-06-12T21:23:08Z2018-06-12T21:23:08Z<p>In Singapore, we have a couple of regular PFS groups, each running PFS once every week, same for SFS.
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We have some new players coming in, but there is an overall drop in PFS numbers over the years.</p>
<p>5ed D&D has really bloomed locally. They have like 3-5 game shop locations running games every week. Most on multiple days.
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The local Adventure League is also quite well organised with chat groups in discord etc.
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At a recent Con for AL, there is like 70+ over people at a time who turn up for AL. The total number is probably around 100++ total. About 5 times the number of PFS players.</p>
<p>There is a sort of distinction between the 2 groups tho. 5ed players are usually younger and up for short, quicker games, many times per week. While PFS players are usually a more mature crowd and able to game only once or twice a week.</p>
<p>Having tried both, there are pros an cons to both form of organized play.
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I do hope Paizo come up with something to help us encourage more people to come play PFS.</p>In Singapore, we have a couple of regular PFS groups, each running PFS once every week, same for SFS.
We have some new players coming in, but there is an overall drop in PFS numbers over the years.
5ed D&D has really bloomed locally. They have like 3-5 game shop locations running games every week. Most on multiple days.
The local Adventure League is also quite well organised with chat groups in discord etc.
At a recent Con for AL, there is like 70+ over people at a time who turn up for AL....Secane2018-06-12T21:23:08ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?DCIIhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#212018-06-12T14:22:07Z2018-06-12T14:22:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">whew wrote:</div><blockquote><p> In Houston, in 2015 we had 6 PFS tables / month at 1 game store.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>I miss Nan's.whew wrote:In Houston, in 2015 we had 6 PFS tables / month at 1 game store.
I miss Nan's.DCII2018-06-12T14:22:07ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?whewhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#202018-06-12T13:52:28Z2018-06-12T13:52:28Z<p>In Houston, in 2015 we had 6 PFS tables / month at 1 game store.</p>
<p>Now, we have 20 PFS & 6 SFS tables / month in 6+ stores.</p>
<p>A good portion of the SFS players are new people who didn't play PFS before.</p>In Houston, in 2015 we had 6 PFS tables / month at 1 game store.
Now, we have 20 PFS & 6 SFS tables / month in 6+ stores.
A good portion of the SFS players are new people who didn't play PFS before.whew2018-06-12T13:52:28ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Leatherthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#192018-06-12T09:39:26Z2018-06-12T09:39:26Z<p>In Tampere, Finland, PFS and SFS are pretty much intertwined, as in most players and GMs do both. So it's a bit difficult to say whether SFS has affected the amount of PFS offered. Maybe in the sense that it didn't bring new GMs in, so the old ones have to divide their time between both.</p>
<p>Our monthly gaming days are running okay, with 2-4 games at each. In my view there is a little bit less new faces showing up, but it might be more about the time of the year (university town, so a lot of new faces in autumn). Some of the old guard plays a bit less because of being busy in personal life, and some only have time for one of the campaigns that people in the PFS group started (I think there are three going on at the moment, and a couple in planning stages).</p>
<p>Our games have never been at stores, it's mostly at people's homes and the monthly gaming days are at a space owned by the university. I do know that D&D5E games are run at the local boardgame cafe, but have no idea whether they have taken potential players from us. At least I haven't heard of any one of our previous players switching over.</p>In Tampere, Finland, PFS and SFS are pretty much intertwined, as in most players and GMs do both. So it's a bit difficult to say whether SFS has affected the amount of PFS offered. Maybe in the sense that it didn't bring new GMs in, so the old ones have to divide their time between both.
Our monthly gaming days are running okay, with 2-4 games at each. In my view there is a little bit less new faces showing up, but it might be more about the time of the year (university town, so a lot of new...Leathert2018-06-12T09:39:26ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?eddvhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#182018-06-12T03:51:28Z2018-06-12T03:51:28Z<p>In Charlotte we are ebbing and flowing. </p>
<p>We support 4 stores (though admittedly, I have very little to do with what happens at one of them) and across those 4 locations we probably make somewhere between 12-24 tables every month. Some weeks we will make 1 table of 4, other we will make multiple tables of 5+.</p>
<p>This is way up from when I first moved to the area in 2014 where there was a REAL struggle to make tables of 3 plus a pregen. </p>
<p>I honestly don't even see 5e as a threat to us - people play 5e as kind of a gateway drug, they crave consistency and more complex playstyles and they just naturally flow to us.</p>In Charlotte we are ebbing and flowing.
We support 4 stores (though admittedly, I have very little to do with what happens at one of them) and across those 4 locations we probably make somewhere between 12-24 tables every month. Some weeks we will make 1 table of 4, other we will make multiple tables of 5+.
This is way up from when I first moved to the area in 2014 where there was a REAL struggle to make tables of 3 plus a pregen.
I honestly don't even see 5e as a threat to us - people...eddv2018-06-12T03:51:28ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?World of Dim Light (alias of Brian Adams)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#172018-06-11T19:26:01Z2018-06-11T19:26:01Z<p>We're down from 2 tables with an occasional third, to one with an occasional second at my main venue. But at the same time, 5th ed seems to be suffering the same decrease. And the only times we have trouble getting a full table seem to be the Wednesdays before local cons, though I don't know how much of that is because many of the main GMs say that they will not be there that day.</p>We're down from 2 tables with an occasional third, to one with an occasional second at my main venue. But at the same time, 5th ed seems to be suffering the same decrease. And the only times we have trouble getting a full table seem to be the Wednesdays before local cons, though I don't know how much of that is because many of the main GMs say that they will not be there that day.World of Dim Light (alias of Brian Adams)2018-06-11T19:26:01ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?DCIIhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#162018-06-11T18:48:50Z2018-06-11T18:48:50Z<p>Meanwhile, just south of Melbourne in Plantation they have gone from 1 table to 3 tables per session rapidly and are struggling with keeping up with the GM demand with 8 new players just last month. Its weird how one area can drop off and another booms but it just goes that way. </p>
<p>We'll see a retailer kick off the PFS program and boom it jumps immediately and slowly falls off as card slingers push out available time slots or as they launch board gaming nights which push out PFS time slots and then another OP comes in and consumes more time and space, then minis, etc. </p>
<p>One interesting thing I have been seeing over the years is the wildly popular Adventure Paths consuming PFS play. I have participated in four of them myself in the last couple of years and know people who are in as many as three concurrently with different groups. Those do cannibalize PFS play especially as those players are competing for time and space and then there seem to be more and more people who just prefer NOT playing at the retailer. Noise, mess, restrictions (alcohol, swearing, etc) space, hauling stuff back and forth, other conveniences like cooking meals at home and saving money from eating out and better wi-fi, etc.</p>Meanwhile, just south of Melbourne in Plantation they have gone from 1 table to 3 tables per session rapidly and are struggling with keeping up with the GM demand with 8 new players just last month. Its weird how one area can drop off and another booms but it just goes that way.
We'll see a retailer kick off the PFS program and boom it jumps immediately and slowly falls off as card slingers push out available time slots or as they launch board gaming nights which push out PFS time slots and...DCII2018-06-11T18:48:50ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Grolickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#152018-06-11T18:38:47Z2018-06-11T18:38:47Z<p>Our attendance is about the same, honestly, in DC. We actually have been able to start up a couple of new locations than can get one table a week off, which is great for us. We are running close to the same number of tables per week as we have been in the past. Offering the latest scenario when it is released is always popular and fills up quickly, while a lot of the go-to older ones might not have a full table.</p>Our attendance is about the same, honestly, in DC. We actually have been able to start up a couple of new locations than can get one table a week off, which is great for us. We are running close to the same number of tables per week as we have been in the past. Offering the latest scenario when it is released is always popular and fills up quickly, while a lot of the go-to older ones might not have a full table.Grolick2018-06-11T18:38:47ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?trollbillhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#142018-06-11T18:19:23Z2018-06-11T18:19:23Z<p>Participation is definitely down in Florida and specifically my region of the Space Coast. I have been coordinating/co-coordinating Organized Play in my area since as early as 2004, starting with Living Greyhawk. At our peak around 2008, we were running 2 slots every Saturday with an average number of tables exceeding 3 each slot and we ran mini-cons at local game stores that ran 5+ tables per slot for 5 slots over a weekend. In 2008 we switched over to Living Forgotten Realms as our primary offering. While we lost some people because of the system switch, we also got a lot of enthusiastic newcomers, so this initially evened out. However, as time wore on, we started seeing problems. The people we lost due to 4E were primarily invested players which made up the bulk of the organizers and GMs. LG’s limited replay options had encouraged even casual players to occasionally GM, but LFR’s unlimited replay had the opposite effect and the same people ended up GMing all of the time. These two factors, combined with how long we had been doing this, lead to a lot of GM/organizer burn out. Participation had dwindled to less than half it had been by 2011 and I was left as the sole local organizer. This, combined with my, by then, frustration with Wizards of the Coast (I was the Regional Writing Director for the Southeast), led me to start offering PFS in 2012. Initially we saw a resurgence with PFS and a new co-coordinator joined with me at this time. Although we never reached our 2008 heyday numbers, we were still averaging over 2 tables per slot. My co-coordinator had to bow out due to family/job issues in 2015 pretty much leaving me to do everything by myself. While I continued to slog on, I am sure fatigue was starting to wear on my enthusiasm, which may have exacerbated things. By 2017, we were mostly down to single tables slots and half of those didn’t make. The introduction of Starfinder did help some, but not much, and we mostly are only offering Starfinder adventures currently. Had it not been for the timely return of one of our regular GMs who had moved out of the state, I probably would have stopped coordinating locally entirely due to fatigue. Even then, our current PFS/SFS gamedays are running on life support.</p>
<p>I have had several talks with our FLGS owners and they have confirmed this is not simply a PFS problem. Attendance in all forms of Organized Play, including tabletop miniatures & CTGs is down, though tournament participation is still high. So I can’t even blame 5E as it too is struggling as far as organized play is concerned. But book sales are brisk, so there are definitely lots of home games in the area. Just no one seems interested in public organized play events.</p>Participation is definitely down in Florida and specifically my region of the Space Coast. I have been coordinating/co-coordinating Organized Play in my area since as early as 2004, starting with Living Greyhawk. At our peak around 2008, we were running 2 slots every Saturday with an average number of tables exceeding 3 each slot and we ran mini-cons at local game stores that ran 5+ tables per slot for 5 slots over a weekend. In 2008 we switched over to Living Forgotten Realms as our primary...trollbill2018-06-11T18:19:23ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?TriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#132018-06-12T09:34:14Z2018-06-11T18:00:20Z<p>Arizona has been holding steady, although we do appear to be down from previous years. Our main store is down to two tables a slot from three to four, but still maintains two slots twice a month. The rest of our stores tend to have one slot if any. I have not heard much on the AL front, instead blaming GM burnout on our lower turnout. New scenarios usually draw a full two tables by themselves, often with more players than we can seat. GM signups tend to be the same small group of volunteers.</p>
<p>I do see new faces, and we have successfully fired Solstice Scar every time we run it, with two instances bringing five and six tables respectively. Our players are out there, they just don't have as much to play thanks to six to eight gamedays a month allowing them to consume much of the PFS library in rapid succession. I hesitate to reduce our gamedays as that would also hurt our stores.</p>
<p>Phoenix Comic Fest was up this year with about 60 tables despite Race for the Runecarved Key being preempted by a fire alarm. Last year we had about that many tables, including the special. I have seen a lot of conversions in Warhorn signups and Facebook group adds since the event. I hope to see those players at our local gamedays, GM availability allowing.</p>Arizona has been holding steady, although we do appear to be down from previous years. Our main store is down to two tables a slot from three to four, but still maintains two slots twice a month. The rest of our stores tend to have one slot if any. I have not heard much on the AL front, instead blaming GM burnout on our lower turnout. New scenarios usually draw a full two tables by themselves, often with more players than we can seat. GM signups tend to be the same small group of volunteers.
...TriOmegaZero2018-06-11T18:00:20ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Is PFS growing or shrinking in the Southeastern US? What about in other areas?Qstorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v6p4?Is-PFS-growing-or-shrinking-in-the#122018-06-11T17:33:42Z2018-06-11T17:32:50Z<p>Numbers are down around me from before 5e came out. </p>
<p>Some venues used to have 3 tables per week and now can barely get one table together.</p>
<p>My friend owns a new-ish game store in the area and he says around 30 people each week show up to play DDAL/5e. I've NEVER seen that in our area for PFS. At his store we get one table a week.</p>
<p>A few players I know dropped out of PFS when 5e came out. Even hardcore players that like Pathfinder have dropped off. A good friend dropped out cause of rules bloat. He prefers 5e.</p>Numbers are down around me from before 5e came out.
Some venues used to have 3 tables per week and now can barely get one table together.
My friend owns a new-ish game store in the area and he says around 30 people each week show up to play DDAL/5e. I've NEVER seen that in our area for PFS. At his store we get one table a week.
A few players I know dropped out of PFS when 5e came out. Even hardcore players that like Pathfinder have dropped off. A good friend dropped out cause of rules...Qstor2018-06-11T17:32:50Z