Can Greater Teleportation be used to Teleport a gas cloud?


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Can Greater Teleportation be used to Teleport a gas cloud? Why or why not?


If the gas cloud is a creature, sure, because teleport works on creatures (plus what they're carrying). If the gas cloud is not a creature then no, because teleport only works on creatures plus what they're carrying, and you're not carrying the gas cloud.

In any case the use of greater teleport instead of teleport is irrelevant, as the former does not change what can get teleported, only where.


Contain the gas cloud within a bag or balloon though and you should be set.


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Target you and touched objects or other touched willing creatures

So if you can "touch" a gas cloud, you're good to go. But I don't think you can, in game terms.


You don't have to carry an object to teleport; touched objects must merely weigh a total less than your maximum load. And you can certainly touch a gas cloud. This basically boils down to whether a gas cloud is considered an object. Expect Table Variation™. I wouldn't, for example, allow someone to teleport all the air in a 20'-cubed room along with them, thereby creating one hell of a vacuum event.


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Like VRMH mentioned, the spell can teleport touched creatures and objects. I wouldn't necessarily consider a gas cloud to be an 'object' for this spell's purposes though. Just because something isn't a creature doesn't make it an object. I wouldn't let you teleport gas or air free-floating around you. Like blahpers,I also wouldn't let you teleport an equivalent amount of gravity that's 'touching you' and thus increase the gravity at your target area by an equivalent amount. Nor would I let you teleport sunlight that was touching you, say, into a vampire's coffin or crypt.


I'd say a cloud is as much an object as a swarm is a single creature. A cloud is an aerosol, "a suspension of fine solid particles or liquid droplets, in air or another gas." You could teleport one of those particles...

*heads over to the PF2 boards to make a thread that the game must absolutely contain a "Teleport Cloud" spell*


I think it would be circumstantial. If an air elemental was using it's vortex ability to contain the gas cloud and then wanted to teleport away with it that seems reasonable to me. Unless the character has some way to physically "grasp" the cloud via an ability or spell effect then they can't "touch" it to teleport it with them.

In the same way that if I were holding an inflated balloon and I teleported I would expect it to arrive with me still inflated instead of the balloon "leaving behind" its helium.


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In game terms I would consider a gas cloud to be an effect, not an object.


Dave Justus wrote:
In game terms I would consider a gas cloud to be an effect, not an object.

That's a fair statement - and so would water be, except when contained, yes?


Now, could one contain a gas cloud using Prestidigitate (given sufficient time to gather it all up into a maximum of 1 cubic foot of solidified gas)?


groveborn wrote:
Dave Justus wrote:
In game terms I would consider a gas cloud to be an effect, not an object.
That's a fair statement - and so would water be, except when contained, yes?

Water probably just is, so doesn’t count as an effect. “Effect” in game terms mostly just means that something else created the thing. I don’t think it has the meaning you’re trying to assign to it here.


There are such things as naturally occurring pockets of deadly gas, that's why miner's would take canaries with them. I don't see any reason to treat a gas cloud any differently then a pool of water. Sticking your hand in a gas cloud and taking it with you via teleport makes as much sense as sticking your hand in a pool of water and doing the same. But no one has a problem with you dipping your hand in the water and teleporting away with what you have cupped in your hands (assuming a still spell teleport is used).

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