Playtest dates....


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Scarab Sages

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So after listening to the banquet speeches (thanks for the recording, Paizo), I am now even more hyped for the Playtest. So hyped, in fact, that I wish to start doing a bit of scheduling of time.

So as stated by Jason, the playtest will be in 7 stages (one for each scenario in Doomsday Dawn), the first will be for the three weeks after release and the others in two week blocks after that. So, by my calculations with the assumption to schedule changes on a Thursday, the schedule should look like this:

Scenario 1 - 2 August to 23 August
Scenario 2 - 23 August to 6 September
Scenario 3 - 6 September to 20 September
Scenario 4 - 20 September to 4 October
Scenario 5 - 4 October to 18 October
Scenario 6 - 18 October to 1 November
Scenario 7 - 1 November to 15 November

And done

Does that sound right??

Scarab Sages

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Bump...

As it is now only two months away, I would really like to organise this. I have at least 13 people to wrangle so far, so would like to lock in dates in people's calendars.


I know Mark told us we are going to get a logistics blog coming up when I asked about the topic.

Hopefully that will come soon as I have the same desires to get a group together with plenty of notice!

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Thanks for that info, Stone Dog. I will now wait...not so patiently :)


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I'm concerned about this too, because I won't be able to start running until August 16th. I'm hoping they'll still be interested in feedback even if it comes in late.


Darth Krzysztof wrote:
I'm concerned about this too, because I won't be able to start running until August 16th. I'm hoping they'll still be interested in feedback even if it comes in late.

They already have said that they will. Maybe that was in one of the Paizocon streams though. I can't remember where it was said.


Nice work sanwah68. That will help with the always important management of expectations. Thanks!

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Darth Krzysztof wrote:
I'm concerned about this too, because I won't be able to start running until August 16th. I'm hoping they'll still be interested in feedback even if it comes in late.

From my calculations, assuming the above timing is correct, you will be right on time to participate in the first round, as it won't finish until the following week.

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The Mad Comrade wrote:
Nice work sanwah68. That will help with the always important management of expectations. Thanks!

My pleasure. Ahh...Epectation Management, the most important aspect of any project, and where things have the most potential to go pear shaped.


sanwah68 wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:
Nice work sanwah68. That will help with the always important management of expectations. Thanks!
My pleasure. Ahh...Epectation Management, the most important aspect of any project, and where things have the most potential to go pear shaped.

That they surely do. ;)


Excaliburproxy wrote:
Darth Krzysztof wrote:
I'm concerned about this too, because I won't be able to start running until August 16th. I'm hoping they'll still be interested in feedback even if it comes in late.
They already have said that they will. Maybe that was in one of the Paizocon streams though. I can't remember where it was said.

What about early? Will the surveys be all around at the beginning? I'm guessing probably not, otherwise what's the point of the stages? Mostly I'm curious about those who end up ahead of schedule.


Doktor Weasel wrote:
Excaliburproxy wrote:
Darth Krzysztof wrote:
I'm concerned about this too, because I won't be able to start running until August 16th. I'm hoping they'll still be interested in feedback even if it comes in late.
They already have said that they will. Maybe that was in one of the Paizocon streams though. I can't remember where it was said.
What about early? Will the surveys be all around at the beginning? I'm guessing probably not, otherwise what's the point of the stages? Mostly I'm curious about those who end up ahead of schedule.

I think the "stages" are sets so that most can share their experiences on the forums and be somewhat at the same place in the adventure.

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Bump...

It is now less than 2 months away and I have 15 people asking me for dates....I would really like confirmation that the dates above are correct or incorrect, so I can start placing things in the calendar.


Why not create your calendar based on that information, with the warning that, as the start date gets closer, staff may make adjustments.

Heck, the staff may make adjustments even during the playtest, no matter what they tell you today. They have already said that they may be testing more than one version of a mechanic, based on what happens during the playtest.

Some stuff during the playtest is contingent on what happens during the playtest. You're not going to get a guarantee about timing.


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Has anyone shared the titles for the scenarios anywhere around here? I was able to make them out on the slide at the PaizoCon banquet. : D


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I could use the scheduling info too--it's like herding cats sometimes to get various gamers on the same page :)


I've found it almost ALWAYS like herding cats to get a gaming day going... Ah, for the long lost days of college, when a "hey, lets game NOW" was a thing.

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Yeh, have to fit the playtest around all the other stuff that is in my life. Hence why I would like some confirmation that the date ranges in my OP are mostly correct.


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One of the things I'm concerned about is how valid the playtest will be in light of the learning curve for the new system given the limited time-frame results will be expected after release. Learning a new system is hard, and I can't imagine how many mistakes I probably made the first several times I ran previous editions of the game. The math for PF2 is designed to be very tightly-fitting and although I know one of the design goals is for a streamlined, easy-to-learn game, I think it's going to take groups a while to really get up to speed. In the meantime, a good chunk of what they report is likely to be tainted by errors that affected their experiences.

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That was one of my concerns too. We simply might not have enough time and will get a subpar product because of it. Still, it's better than no playtest. We've seen what comes from that.


Yeah, I'm concerned by the short time window as well. Especially with the survey for the first adventure only being 3 weeks after the book comes out. I'm not sure that's enough time for everyone to read it and grok it well enough to process it AND play through an adventure without making a ton of mistakes, even if everyone other than the GM is using PDFs instead of sharing a physical book.


Weeeeell... even setting aside that we don't actually KNOW what kind of timeframes we are looking at yet, having too short a timeframe to learn the game still yields valuable data. Remember, a big goal of the new system is that you can learn it quickly. If we can't, then Paizo needs to figure out why not and try to adjust.


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But how will they know what part of our feedback is affected by the mistakes that we don't know we're making? :)


Jhaeman wrote:
But how will they know what part of our feedback is affected by the mistakes that we don't know we're making? :)

I'd imagine that level of detail is probably only obtainable through forum posts.

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