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So will we find out what the last 1e AP is going to be at this Con or Gen Con?

I noticed the banquet is from 10PM to 1AM, is that eastern time or pacific time?

Also any news or information from the Con about 1e or 1e would be interesting.

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That's Eastern time.

We will discuss that Adventure Path.

The presentation has a nice juicy section on 1e stuff.

More soon.


You can follow the Banquet here as well we it starts if you can: Paizo on Twitch.

You can see future seminars on the schedule here: PaizoCon on Twitch


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Oops meant to say "1e or 2e" not "1e or 1e";)

Thank you Erik Mona for that information.

Thank you Barbaric Gug Swarm for those links.


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And the last adventure path of first edition is...:
The Tyrant's Grasp (Yes, as in Whispering)


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Spoiler:
Oh, boy. Poor Ustalav and Mendev (and Belkzen as well, come to think of it)

Barbaric Gug Swarm wrote:

You can follow the Banquet here as well we it starts if you can: Paizo on Twitch.

You can see future seminars on the schedule here: PaizoCon on Twitch

Does anybody know if these livestreams will be made available on the Twitch channel afterwards? It's difficult to catch them here in Germany, given how late at night they are for us.


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Well that is disappointing to hear, so many things that I would have loved to see as 1e's last hooray.

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magnuskn wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

Barbaric Gug Swarm wrote:

You can follow the Banquet here as well we it starts if you can: Paizo on Twitch.

You can see future seminars on the schedule here: PaizoCon on Twitch

Does anybody know if these livestreams will be made available on the Twitch channel afterwards? It's difficult to catch them here in Germany, given how late at night they are for us.

They’re all sitting on the twitch account now.

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Malefactor wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Thank you, Malefactor!

Any further info on that AP?
Like writers, installment names, level cap, army rules involved? ;-)

Cheers.

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That makes it very probable that the Campaign Setting line will include a

:
Lastwall book
in 2019. :-)


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Is a written summary anywhere? I’m not a fan of watching vids.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Malefactor wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Thank you, Malefactor!

Any further info on that AP?
Like writers, installment names, level cap, army rules involved? ;-)

Cheers.

Nope.

There will be more to come after the AP discussion seminar later today.


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Enlight_Bystand wrote:
magnuskn wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

Barbaric Gug Swarm wrote:

You can follow the Banquet here as well we it starts if you can: Paizo on Twitch.

You can see future seminars on the schedule here: PaizoCon on Twitch

Does anybody know if these livestreams will be made available on the Twitch channel afterwards? It's difficult to catch them here in Germany, given how late at night they are for us.
They’re all sitting on the twitch account now.

Excellent, thank you!

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Dragon78 wrote:
Well that is disappointing to hear

Not me. I am STOKED about the final 1E AP. Arguably the coolest bad guy in Golarion. If it’s the penultimate 1E AP, I cannot wait to see how it unfolds and what they have in store for the conclusion of the path.


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Not the penultimate 1e AP, it's the last 1e AP.

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Sorry, I misspoke I’m my excitement, but we know what I meant. Let’s not miss the forest for the trees.

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Dragon78 wrote:
Well that is disappointing to hear, so many things that I would have loved to see as 1e's last hooray.

Well it’s just the last First Edition AP, not the last AP altogether. There will be plenty more APs after that


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I see that the baffling (yet long-established) tradition of Paizo.com being an absolutely terrible source for PaizoCon news lives on. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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bugleyman wrote:
I see that the baffling (yet long-established) tradition of Paizo.com being an absolutely terrible source for PaizoCon news lives on. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Have you seen this thread?

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The developers have spoken numerous times about how the World Wound will be closed come 2.0 so I'm very curious to know if the final AP will be responsible or if it's on the shoulders of PFS.


kevin_video wrote:
The developers have spoken numerous times about how the World Wound will be closed come 2.0 so I'm very curious to know if the final AP will be responsible or if it's on the shoulders of PFS.

Umm... I think it's a bit late for that...

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Erudite Malefactor wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
The developers have spoken numerous times about how the World Wound will be closed come 2.0 so I'm very curious to know if the final AP will be responsible or if it's on the shoulders of PFS.
Umm... I think it's a bit late for that...

Doesn't count. This is just a Super Mario Bros 2 dream sequence.


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I fear your personal distaste for WotR does not affect it's canonicity as an Adventure Path.

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Erudite Malefactor wrote:
I fear your personal distaste for WotR does not affect it's canonicity as an Adventure Path.

I've never touched it, but that doesn't mean it's any less canonical. You can ask James Jacobs on that. He's the one that brought it up that the events do not happen. I'm just passing along the information.


James Jacobs wrote:

No worries! I'm just a bit reflexively thin-skinned when it comes to Mythic Adventures. I'm actually VERY proud of Wrath of the Righteous—it's a storyline I'd been aching to tell more or less from day one of Pathfinder once we decided there was a Worldwound, and it's just really soul-cripplingly frustrating and depressing that some folks have latched onto it as a failure due to the way the Mythic Rules and high-level play interacted when I put so much work into the AP to make it memorable. It just ended up being memorable for a lot of the wrong reasons, and that overshadows what I feel is one of the better storylines we've done in the line.

Can I get a source on that, because if he did say that, I expect he was being facetious. While one can find plenty of examples of Mr. Directosaur bemoaning the way high level mythic play works and the backlash that some of the consumers had against the mechanics thereof, he still seems to like the storyline of WotR. Seeing as it being canon has nothing to do with mechanics and evrything to do with story, I see no reason to assume that it wouldn't be canon.

Add to that fact that Paizo is unlikely to make a "we're closing the worldwound, for real this time" adventure for fear of outcry that they are invalidating peoples games...

Well, when you see an snow white dragon destroying a village, think chromatic wyrm, not renegade albino silver dragon.

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They've stated that certain events from certain APs will be made canon, the Worldwound being closed and thus turning into a demon infested wasteland is one of those events.


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Yeah, I don't remember any mention of James that WotR will be non-canon, either. Then again, I don't usually follow his "Ask James" thread where he sometimes just spills the juiciest stuff, like about Nocticula. ^^

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If i remember rightly, EVERY AP is supposed to have happened and being successfully concluded, even the "Evil AP" Hell's Vengeance.

Maybe some non-world ending AP consequences will be adapted into the new setting?

I think it has been said, that ten years are supposed to have gone by between the last AP #144 (4719) and the beginning of the new setting, which would make the year 4729.

Hopefully 2019 (or 2020) will bring a new (and expanded) "Inner Sea World Guide". :-)


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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Hopefully 2019 (or 2020) will bring a new (and expanded) "Inner Sea World Guide". :-)

I wonder if they will manage to still improve on the last version, which was, IMO, the best campaign setting book ever published.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:
I think it has been said, that ten years are supposed to have gone by between the last AP #144 (4719) and the beginning of the new setting, which would make the year 4729.

I think you misunderstood that. The 10 years are what has passed since the beginning of the first adventure path. I'm pretty certain that the progression of time will continue as previously, i.e. when PF2 will be released in 2019, it'll be 4719 in game.

Marco Massoudi wrote:
Hopefully 2019 (or 2020) will bring a new (and expanded) "Inner Sea World Guide". :-)

I think in one of the Paizocon panels James Jacobs said that they'd rather not simply replace the old book with a new book and are looking into doing something different.

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Erudite Malefactor wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

No worries! I'm just a bit reflexively thin-skinned when it comes to Mythic Adventures. I'm actually VERY proud of Wrath of the Righteous—it's a storyline I'd been aching to tell more or less from day one of Pathfinder once we decided there was a Worldwound, and it's just really soul-cripplingly frustrating and depressing that some folks have latched onto it as a failure due to the way the Mythic Rules and high-level play interacted when I put so much work into the AP to make it memorable. It just ended up being memorable for a lot of the wrong reasons, and that overshadows what I feel is one of the better storylines we've done in the line.

Can I get a source on that, because if he did say that, I expect he was being facetious. While one can find plenty of examples of Mr. Directosaur bemoaning the way high level mythic play works and the backlash that some of the consumers had against the mechanics thereof, he still seems to like the storyline of WotR. Seeing as it being canon has nothing to do with mechanics and evrything to do with story, I see no reason to assume that it wouldn't be canon.

Add to that fact that Paizo is unlikely to make a "we're closing the worldwound, for real this time" adventure for fear of outcry that they are invalidating peoples games...

Well, when you see an snow white dragon destroying a village, think chromatic wyrm, not renegade albino silver dragon.

My only source is reddit. I wasn’t even aware of the non-canon aspect until my group told me. Jacobs has gone on record that he’d like all AP to be canon, but that it’s not his call.

From reddit:
Wrath of the Righteous is not in the timeline. The things that happen in that campaign change the landscape of the planet and James Jacobs I think has said that in future campaigns the events will not have happened.


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So I take it the new AP was the only 1e news?

Must not have been much 2e news as well.

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Ah, Reddit, the ever-realiable source of Real Truth.


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Word at Paizocon was, when Second Edition comes around, the Worldwound will be considered closed. Which does not mean it's not still a demon-infested land.

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So is Tar-Baphon getting free? As the new world-ending threat?


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Well, the final First Edition AP is "The Tyrant's Grasp". Make of that what you will.


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Grim Ranger wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
I see that the baffling (yet long-established) tradition of Paizo.com being an absolutely terrible source for PaizoCon news lives on. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Have you seen this thread?

Nope, I had not. Thank you.


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Other then what the CR30 monster will be, was there any news/info about Planar Adventures?


Any news about 1st Ed. Stuff?

Like will Planar Adventures be the last 1st Ed Hardcover?

Is there going be a Campaign setting hardcover in the coming Year?

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Iirc, they did say planar adventures will be the final 1e hardcover. I don’t remember hearing anything about a campaign setting hardcover.


Selene Spires wrote:

Any news about 1st Ed. Stuff?

Like will Planar Adventures be the last 1st Ed Hardcover?

Is there going be a Campaign setting hardcover in the coming Year?

Besides the name of the last AP, the name of the LN planar race, and what the CR 30 is, not much. Everything else 1st Ed. related was stuff related to organized play or things you'd probably already know about from lurking on the boards.

Yes, it will.

They didn't mention one, so probably not.

Edit:Ninja'd!

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I'm just gonna mention that after considering what the last AP could emcompass, I consider the idea that it may take place in a different region every book. After all, the three lesser seals keeping the Tyrant held up were hidden in 3 different locations by the 3 major forces that were apart of the shining crusade(Taldor, the dwarves of Kraggodan, and the Knights of Ozem) . So this adventure could start anywhere from the a backwood farm in Andoran to the blood soaked streets of Galt (or any other location that used to be part of once mighty Taldor).

So three books devoted to trying to track down the 3 lessor seals(Taldor [or other former Taldor location], Lastwall, Kraggodan?).

A book to track down the phylactery (this could be the planar book, or some random golarion location or even the isle of terror.

A final showdown book [Ustalav or Isle of Terror]

Plus one other book to cover missing plot idea.

This could be a Golarion Sampler Tray setting the stage and covering any major changes to the setting for 2e.

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Kadasbrass Loreweaver wrote:

I'm just gonna mention that after considering what the last AP could emcompass, I consider the idea that it may take place in a different region every book. After all, the three lesser seals keeping the Tyrant held up were hidden in 3 different locations by the 3 major forces that were apart of the shining crusade(Taldor, the dwarves of Kraggodan, and the Knights of Ozem) . So this adventure could start anywhere from the a backwood farm in Andoran to the blood soaked streets of Galt (or any other location that used to be part of once mighty Taldor).

So three books devoted to trying to track down the 3 lessor seals(Taldor [or other former Taldor location], Lastwall, Kraggodan?).

A book to track down the phylactery (this could be the planar book, or some random golarion location or even the isle of terror.

A final showdown book [Ustalav or Isle of Terror]

Plus one other book to cover missing plot idea.

This could be a Golarion Sampler Tray setting the stage and covering any major changes to the setting for 2e.

I like the idea. :-)

With Gallowspire being a giant mega-dungeon, i think at least one part (the final?) will probably be a dungeon-crawl...


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Well not surprised that the new AP was mostly the only 1e news but would have liked more info on Planar Adventures.

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I believe they mentioned(possibly in a panel rather than the banquet) that there would be info on what happened to Zon Kuthon, a section on the Hao Jin Tapestry, and Shadow Absalom.


Are they still doing the Runelords AP?


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Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
Are they still doing the Runelords AP?

Yes, they are. The Return of the Runelords will be the penultimate AP in 1st Edition, followed by The Tyrant's Grasp.


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The Hao Jin Tapestry sounds interesting, I wonder what other artifacts will get love in the Planar Adventures.


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Zaister wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:
Hopefully 2019 (or 2020) will bring a new (and expanded) "Inner Sea World Guide". :-)
I think in one of the Paizocon panels James Jacobs said that they'd rather not simply replace the old book with a new book and are looking into doing something different.

That was the "Golarion Evolution" seminar, which I attended.

James said that they are NOT making some huge in-world cataclysmic event to mark the move to a new edition. The world goes on as normal, just as it did from the 3.5/OGL Pathfinder Chronicles: Campaign Setting days to the PFRPG Inner Sea World Guide.

He said that they are going to set the Golarion timeline to an updated base-year of 4719, and will assume that all of the previously-published APs have concluded in-world with a "PC Success" outcome. He said that the new map of the Inner Sea region will have a few different borderlines, including the nation of Ravounel in what had been northwestern Cheliax [c.f. "Hell's Rebels"], and some new borders in Varisia. [i.e. something will cause that to happen in "Return of the Runelords" and/or "Tyrant's Grasp"]

James said that they are not likely to replace the ISWG with an equivalent hardcover, and that the setting material of the ISWG mostly remains in place. James said that they will likely use smaller, region-specific guides to update any changes to the region since 4711 (the baseline date of the ISWG.)

When asked if they were considering a canonical "PC Failure" outcome to one or more APs, he said, "No." He explained that they did not think it would be fair to players who successfully run through an AP, only to find that their characters' actions are invalidated by canon.

He also hinted that they had some metagame ideas in mind about what to do with the high-level former-PCs who had run through the APs, without every adventure being: "We face a great threat! You-- Go find the Sandpoint Heroes who defeated Runelord Karzoug 15 years ago, so they can save us again!"

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kevin_video wrote:
Erudite Malefactor wrote:
I fear your personal distaste for WotR does not affect it's canonicity as an Adventure Path.
I've never touched it, but that doesn't mean it's any less canonical. You can ask James Jacobs on that. He's the one that brought it up that the events do not happen. I'm just passing along the information.

I never said that, although I can accept the possibility that something I did say was misunderstood.

I"m VERY proud of the story of Wrath of the Righteous. I'm disappointed in how Mythic Adventures interacted with high-levle play, and demoralized by some folks' reaction to how those rules worked, but the story of Wrath of the Righteous, which I outlined, created, developed, and helped write, is one I'd been wanting to tell almost from day 1, and one that if I were to do again, would play out in exactly the same way but with better integration of Mythic Adventures rules.

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