Anyone know what Hellknight orders do?


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Scarab Sages

Anyone know what the new Hellknight orders are dedicated to? I know Pyre is dedicated to tracking down holy texts (and burning ‘heraticle’ ones). Nail is dedicated to uplifting ‘savage’ peoples. Any others? I’m looking to make a Hellknight, but I’d like to know what the actual orders actually DO.

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In Pathfinder Order of the Pike were monster hunters, there's no reason to believe that this hasn't carried over to Starfinder. If we just go based on what they were in Pathfinder with possibly some allowances for Starfinder space stuff.

The seven major orders:

The Order of the Chain - Bounty Hunters
The Order of the Eclipse - New, Currently Unknown
The Order of the Furnace - New, Currently Unknown
The Order of the Gate - Summoning and Dealing with Fiends
The Order of the Nail - Uplifting Savage People
The Order of the Pike - Monster Hunting
The Order of the Scourge - Root out Corruption

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A Hellknight burned off my hand!

It damaged my grandsire's armor, and it hurt a lot, too!

I don't like those Hellknights.

I got a goblin to weld a wrench onto my arm stump, though. It isn't as good as my vesk claws, but it's something, at least...


So let me get this straight. The Order of the Nail handles first contact situations? That seems stupid. I wonder if there is going to be a starfinder scenario where the PCs get into a first contact situation.

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There already is at least one.

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EltonJ wrote:

So let me get this straight. The Order of the Nail handles first contact situations? That seems stupid. I wonder if there is going to be a starfinder scenario where the PCs get into a first contact situation.

There's already three sfs scenarios (two arguably are second contact but effectively first for different reasons) and at least one part of the first AP that involve first contact. And you could theoretical argue a fourth sfs scenario is first contact but it's with a known race in a weird location where they don't know about space travel.


EltonJ wrote:

So let me get this straight. The Order of the Nail handles first contact situations?

For some definition of "handles." They'd be the kind of people who roust "savages" on Castrovel to make way for corporate mining projects.

Hellknights have a serious branding problem. They should maybe reconsider putting the word "hell" right there in their name.

Silver Crusade

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The whole point was taking a derisive nickname and turning it into a badge of honor. Hellknights WANT to be scary, because they figure the scarrier they seem, the less likely people will be to break laws, which in turn lessens the need to use actual force.


I thought the point was they were literally emulating and enacting Hell's idea of Lawful order. Trying to "reclaim" a nickname sounds sort of better but there's also the part where attempts to reclaim words rarely work and people who think "taking a derisive nickname and turning it into a badge of honor" is a thing often turn out to deserve the derisive nickname. On balance if they hired me to advise on branding, I'd still say drop the Hell.

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Zoggy Grav wrote:

A Hellknight burned off my hand!

It damaged my grandsire's armor, and it hurt a lot, too!

I don't like those Hellknights.

I got a goblin to weld a wrench onto my arm stump, though. It isn't as good as my vesk claws, but it's something, at least...

Hear hear! Those guys are jerks. Once my arm finishes regenerating, my best friend Stabbystick's got an anarchic fusion with their name on it!


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Suddenly the company's tactics in Avatar make a lot more sense. They hired Order of the Nail to do security.

Silver Crusade

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CeeJay wrote:
I thought the point was they were literally emulating and enacting Hell's idea of Lawful order. Trying to "reclaim" a nickname sounds sort of better but there's also the part where attempts to reclaim words rarely work and people who think "taking a derisive nickname and turning it into a badge of honor" is a thing often turn out to deserve the derisive nickname. On balance if they hired me to advise on branding, I'd still say drop the Hell.

In actuality, Hellknights think they're BETTER than Hell, because they seek pure order uninfluenced by both soft-heartedness and cruelty. In order to become a full Hellknight, the pre-Gap orders required you to beat a bearded devil in single combat to prove you've resisted their temptations.

In practice, though, this discipline does waver, especially with the Order of the Gate. Since they spend so much time summoning and hanging around devils, devils have more opportunities to influence them.


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I would guess that the Order of the Furnace is probably the Order of the Pyre renamed to reference more modern technology.

I have no clue about the Order of the Eclipse.

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David knott 242 wrote:
I would guess that the Order of the Furnace is probably the Order of the Pyre renamed to reference more modern technology.

Order of the Pyre appears in a SFS scenario.

Silver Crusade

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Yeah, that is confusing. There's no mention of the Pyre in the rulebooks, but they play such a big role in that scenario, that I'm wondering if there was some miscommunication and that the Orders of the Furnace and Pyre are one and the same.


CRB does mention that while there are seven major orders, with the Furnace being one of them, there are also an unspecified number of lesser orders in operation. Could be that the modern order of the Pyre has been reduced to a lesser order and that the Furnace has a completely different purpose.


Well, maybe they should do a sourcebook on the Hellknights.


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Maybe not a full book, but how about a general "organizations" or "villains" book, with one of the main chapters covering the Hellknights.

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