Renlar |
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I can't seem to find any errata that says changing a spell's damage type changes it's spell descriptor.
Benefit: The frost of your cold spell clings to the target, impeding it for a short time. A rime spell causes creatures that takes cold damage from the spell to become entangled for a number of rounds equal to the original level of the spell.
This feat only affects spells with the cold descriptor. A rime spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
Benefit: Choose one energy type: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. You may replace a spell's normal damage with that energy type or split the spell's damage, so that half is of that energy type and half is of its normal type. An elemental spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level.
Yiroep |
Yeah, it's an unfortunate side effect Elemental Spell not changing the descriptor of the spell (which it REALLY should).
It causes other wonky things, too, like Red Draconic Sorcerers to be able to change the elemental type of a fire spell to cold and still get their extra damage, since it still has the fire descriptor.
It really doesn't make much sense, but thems the RAW.
The "Freezing Spells" oracle revelation from Waves and Winter, however, depends on the damage type being dealt to the enemy and not the descriptor.
Edit: Also, flagged for rules forum.
Nefreet |
The problem is that this isn't a Rules Forum.
Every day people post rules questions here, thinking PFS has some sort of rules system different from Pathfinder (it doesn't). And every day moderators move those posts to the Rules Forum (which I hope is the case with this one).
If you have a Pathfinder rules question, ask it in the Rules Forum.
If you have a PFS-specific question, ask it here.
The question you asked in the OP is not PFS-specific.
Renlar |
The problem is that this isn't a Rules Forum.
Every day people post rules questions here, thinking PFS has some sort of rules system different from Pathfinder (it doesn't). And every day moderators move those posts to the Rules Forum (which I hope is the case with this one).
If you have a Pathfinder rules question, ask it in the Rules Forum.
If you have a PFS-specific question, ask it here.
The question you asked in the OP is not PFS-specific.
Ah, that makes sense. If it helps, I flagged my initial post as "in the wrong forum"
Paladin of Baha-who? |
Yeah this has been long noted as a peculiarity of the Elemental Spell feat. The Admixture specialist wizard has a school ability that allows you to do something similar, without changing the spell level, a certain number of times per day, and it specifies that the spell discriptor changes. Oddly, these two contradictory abilities are found in the same book (APG).
Yiroep |
The other ridiculous thing, on that, is you could, technically, change a {Cold} spell to do fire or acid damage, but still make it Rime, as well.....
Sort of. The spell still needs to do some cold damage to have any effect per the description of Rime spell. You could make it half cold and half another and it would work.
Remy Balster |
You could pull off this trick with an Admixture specialist wizard
since this ability changes the damage type and the descriptor. It might be worth a level dip, if you really need to flesh out your spell list with viable options for Rime spell feat. Assuming you have a decent int....and aren't already a wizard of another flavor... and are cool with a level loss...
Umbranus |
The problem is that at the moment you memorize the spell it is not a cold spell yet. And the feat states that it only affects spells with the cold descriptor. It is up to interpretation what that means. Can you add rime to a non cold spell and it just doesn't doe anything? Or is even that impossible?
Because if you can't add rime to the spell in the first hand it doesn't matter if it turns into a cold spell later.