paizo.com Recent Posts in The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?paizo.com Recent Posts in The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?2018-08-02T18:00:08Z2018-08-02T18:00:08ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?QuidEsthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1802018-06-04T18:39:58Z2018-06-04T18:39:58Z<p>I’m guessing animal companions can’t use them, since they have a built-in (very weak) damage dice progression. At the very least, they can’t benefit from item bonuses to attack.</p>I’m guessing animal companions can’t use them, since they have a built-in (very weak) damage dice progression. At the very least, they can’t benefit from item bonuses to attack.QuidEst2018-06-04T18:39:58ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?graystonehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1792018-06-04T18:22:57Z2018-06-04T18:22:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote>Sure, but a wolf might have difficulty wearing handwraps...</blockquote><p>Handwraps to leg wraps?Deadmanwalking wrote:Sure, but a wolf might have difficulty wearing handwraps...
Handwraps to leg wraps?graystone2018-06-04T18:22:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Deadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1782018-06-04T15:46:55Z2018-06-04T15:46:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">QuidEst wrote:</div><blockquote>There are no natural attacks now, just unarmed strikes. A wolf biting you is using an unarmed strike. (See: the animal companion section.) </blockquote><p>Sure, but a wolf might have difficulty wearing handwraps...
<div class="messageboard-quotee">QuidEst wrote:</div><blockquote>Also, the wraps will be the same price as regular weapons- no more tax on Monk. </blockquote><p>That I knew, from the discussion I had thought implied the amulet was still around (it involved Mark Seifter saying something like 'and the amulet of mighty fists is no longer double price' but not in quite those words).QuidEst wrote:There are no natural attacks now, just unarmed strikes. A wolf biting you is using an unarmed strike. (See: the animal companion section.)
Sure, but a wolf might have difficulty wearing handwraps... QuidEst wrote:Also, the wraps will be the same price as regular weapons- no more tax on Monk.
That I knew, from the discussion I had thought implied the amulet was still around (it involved Mark Seifter saying something like 'and the amulet of mighty fists is no longer double...Deadmanwalking2018-06-04T15:46:55ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?QuidEsthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1772018-06-04T15:20:05Z2018-06-04T15:20:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So it is. Interesting. I wonder if the amulet really is gone then? Looking back on it, what I was interpreting as it still being around might just be it having been replaced with an equivalent item. Or maybe there's still an amulet but only for natural attack users? I guess we'll have to wait and see. </p>
<p>Other news from that bit is that Stat Booster items are only expected from around 14th level on. So very much a high level thing.</p>
<p>Also, it's nice to have an actual sidebar detailing the expected items characters will have. Makes things much easier on new players. </blockquote><p>There are no natural attacks now, just unarmed strikes. A wolf biting you is using an unarmed strike. (See: the animal companion section.) Also, the wraps will be the same price as regular weapons- no more tax on Monk.Deadmanwalking wrote:So it is. Interesting. I wonder if the amulet really is gone then? Looking back on it, what I was interpreting as it still being around might just be it having been replaced with an equivalent item. Or maybe there's still an amulet but only for natural attack users? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Other news from that bit is that Stat Booster items are only expected from around 14th level on. So very much a high level thing.
Also, it's nice to have an actual sidebar...QuidEst2018-06-04T15:20:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Deadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1762018-06-04T15:12:32Z2018-06-04T15:12:32Z<p>So it is. Interesting. I wonder if the amulet really is gone then? Looking back on it, what I was interpreting as it still being around might just be it having been replaced with an equivalent item. Or maybe there's still an amulet but only for natural attack users? I guess we'll have to wait and see. </p>
<p>Other news from that bit is that Stat Booster items are only expected from around 14th level on. So very much a high level thing.</p>
<p>Also, it's nice to have an actual sidebar detailing the expected items characters will have. Makes things much easier on new players.</p>So it is. Interesting. I wonder if the amulet really is gone then? Looking back on it, what I was interpreting as it still being around might just be it having been replaced with an equivalent item. Or maybe there's still an amulet but only for natural attack users? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Other news from that bit is that Stat Booster items are only expected from around 14th level on. So very much a high level thing.
Also, it's nice to have an actual sidebar detailing the...Deadmanwalking2018-06-04T15:12:32ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?QuidEsthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1752018-06-04T15:01:25Z2018-06-04T15:01:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">QuidEst wrote:</div><blockquote> Monks will often be using enchanted fist wraps instead of weapons in PF2, per a small bit of text talking about items adventures will want that was visible in the PaizoCon preview dinner. </blockquote>When, where? I watched that and didn't spot it. </blockquote><p>It’s in the text section of the images page with a bunch of different weapons and staffs.Deadmanwalking wrote:QuidEst wrote: Monks will often be using enchanted fist wraps instead of weapons in PF2, per a small bit of text talking about items adventures will want that was visible in the PaizoCon preview dinner.
When, where? I watched that and didn't spot it. It’s in the text section of the images page with a bunch of different weapons and staffs.QuidEst2018-06-04T15:01:25ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Deadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1742018-06-04T14:56:33Z2018-06-04T14:56:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">QuidEst wrote:</div><blockquote> Monks will often be using enchanted fist wraps instead of weapons in PF2, per a small bit of text talking about items adventures will want that was visible in the PaizoCon preview dinner. </blockquote><p>When, where? I watched that and didn't spot it.QuidEst wrote:Monks will often be using enchanted fist wraps instead of weapons in PF2, per a small bit of text talking about items adventures will want that was visible in the PaizoCon preview dinner.
When, where? I watched that and didn't spot it.Deadmanwalking2018-06-04T14:56:33ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1732018-10-05T16:47:19Z2018-06-04T14:07:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">QuidEst wrote:</div><blockquote> Monks will often be using enchanted fist wraps instead of weapons in PF2, per a small bit of text talking about items adventures will want that was visible in the PaizoCon preview dinner. </blockquote><p>...and now I'm hungry...QuidEst wrote:Monks will often be using enchanted fist wraps instead of weapons in PF2, per a small bit of text talking about items adventures will want that was visible in the PaizoCon preview dinner.
...and now I'm hungry...Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)2018-06-04T14:07:08ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?QuidEsthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1722018-06-04T14:00:06Z2018-06-04T14:00:06Z<p>Monks will often be using enchanted fist wraps instead of weapons in PF2, per a small bit of text talking about items adventures will want that was visible in the PaizoCon preview dinner.</p>Monks will often be using enchanted fist wraps instead of weapons in PF2, per a small bit of text talking about items adventures will want that was visible in the PaizoCon preview dinner.QuidEst2018-06-04T14:00:06ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1712018-10-05T16:47:19Z2018-06-04T13:57:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">John John wrote:</div><blockquote>At some level monks and druids were always stupid in dnd from a narrative point. </blockquote><p>And so is this and that and the other thing.John John wrote:At some level monks and druids were always stupid in dnd from a narrative point.
And so is this and that and the other thing.Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)2018-06-04T13:57:07ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?John Johnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1702018-06-04T12:45:18Z2018-06-04T12:45:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks. </blockquote>I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. </blockquote>So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head? </blockquote>Rely on Ki and inner Carradine to keep up with magic weapons, though, I do not like the keeping up thing, but it seems cemented. </blockquote>So the class would have the natural ways built in so it wouldn't need magic items then? </blockquote><p>Yes; I don't see why every Monk on the planet needs to get ahold of this one time so they can keep up with the Jones's.
<p>Sounds stupid, from a narrative point. </blockquote><p>At some level monks and druids were always stupid in dnd from a narrative point. Going in the dungeon to get treasure and magic items certainly doesn't fit their style.
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In a weird way a lot problems with the monk class stem from this. Like the fact that they feel kinda pigeonholed in using magic items with the rest of the classes, while they would feel cooler without using any magic items.</p>Weather Report wrote:Vidmaster7 wrote: Weather Report wrote: Vidmaster7 wrote: Weather Report wrote: Vidmaster7 wrote: I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks.
I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head? Rely on Ki and inner Carradine to keep up...John John2018-06-04T12:45:18ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Vidmaster7https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1692018-06-04T11:50:57Z2018-06-04T11:50:57Z<p>Well I guess it depends on your stories. My world has a tradition of adventurers. You expect adventurers and if you have enough money you hire them to get things done. You start to notice certain adventurer types. You might even divide them into categories. Oh hey that guy in the armor might be a fighter or a paladin or some such that guy in the robes looks like he could be a wizard Ah but he doesn't smell like bat poo or have a beard so he could be a monk! So then the crafters are like hmm supply and demand well fighters need magical weapons we will make whats most popular to sell them. So hey there are monk adventures and this item is a must have for monk adventurers so lets make a few to sell to them. etc. etc. Its all about how you see the world.</p>Well I guess it depends on your stories. My world has a tradition of adventurers. You expect adventurers and if you have enough money you hire them to get things done. You start to notice certain adventurer types. You might even divide them into categories. Oh hey that guy in the armor might be a fighter or a paladin or some such that guy in the robes looks like he could be a wizard Ah but he doesn't smell like bat poo or have a beard so he could be a monk! So then the crafters are like hmm...Vidmaster72018-06-04T11:50:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1682018-10-05T16:47:19Z2018-06-04T11:45:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks. </blockquote>I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. </blockquote>So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head? </blockquote>Rely on Ki and inner Carradine to keep up with magic weapons, though, I do not like the keeping up thing, but it seems cemented. </blockquote>So the class would have the natural ways built in so it wouldn't need magic items then? </blockquote><p>Yes; I don't see why every Monk on the planet needs to get ahold of this one time so they can keep up with the Jones's.
<p>Sounds stupid, from a narrative point.</p>Vidmaster7 wrote:Weather Report wrote: Vidmaster7 wrote: Weather Report wrote: Vidmaster7 wrote: I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks.
I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head? Rely on Ki and inner Carradine to keep up with magic weapons,...Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)2018-06-04T11:45:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Vidmaster7https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1672018-06-04T11:34:28Z2018-06-04T11:34:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks. </blockquote>I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. </blockquote>So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head? </blockquote>Rely on Ki and inner Carradine to keep up with magic weapons, though, I do not like the keeping up thing, but it seems cemented. </blockquote><p>So the class would have the natural ways built in so it wouldn't need magic items then? Like the monk in the final fantasy 1 game? (american #1). That would probably be hard to balance maybe not impossible. It would have a few ramifications such as a party with a monk would have more wealth for the other party members (or DM would have to adjust) And the monk player doesn't get to look forward to item drops. plus if the class is strong enough to keep up without magic items if they find a way to use magic items they become more powerful the other classes (or you could put the 1st edition restriction back like they used to have where most items and weapons didn't work for them). It can get rather complicated.
<p>I know I saw you pushing for a non-required magic item level up process at some point which is where I imagine your coming from here. That has issues as well. You have to make items sparse and weak to not inflate power levels or magic items will make encounters to easy or you have to give monsters items to use as well.</p>Weather Report wrote:Vidmaster7 wrote: Weather Report wrote: Vidmaster7 wrote: I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks.
I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head? Rely on Ki and inner Carradine to keep up with magic weapons, though, I do not like...Vidmaster72018-06-04T11:34:28ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1662018-10-05T16:47:19Z2018-06-04T11:25:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks. </blockquote>I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. </blockquote>So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head? </blockquote><p>Rely on Ki and inner Carradine to keep up with magic weapons, though, I do not like the keeping up thing, but it seems cemented.Vidmaster7 wrote:Weather Report wrote: Vidmaster7 wrote: I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks.
I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head? Rely on Ki and inner Carradine to keep up with magic weapons, though, I do not like the keeping up thing,...Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)2018-06-04T11:25:56ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Deadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1652018-06-04T10:29:53Z2018-06-04T10:29:53Z<p>For the record, we basically know what items everyone wants in PF2:</p>
<p>1. Magic Weapon (or AoMF). This is probably replaced by an item that increases accuracy with spells that use an attack roll for some Wizards and the like (the existence of such an item has been confirmed). People exclusively provoking Saves can probably skip this one and be down to two items.</p>
<p>2. Magic Armor (or Bracers of Armor). You can theoretically skip this with Heightened Mage Armor (apparently) but that's investing a high spell slot in avoiding an item.</p>
<p>3. At high levels (because they're pricey) a stat-boosting item. These seem to be limited to +2 to a stat for high stats, but have other abilities as well.</p>
<p>And from there, things will vary quite a lot. That seems a reasonable compromise between wanting necessary items and not wanting the 'Christmas tree' effect.</p>For the record, we basically know what items everyone wants in PF2:
1. Magic Weapon (or AoMF). This is probably replaced by an item that increases accuracy with spells that use an attack roll for some Wizards and the like (the existence of such an item has been confirmed). People exclusively provoking Saves can probably skip this one and be down to two items.
2. Magic Armor (or Bracers of Armor). You can theoretically skip this with Heightened Mage Armor (apparently) but that's investing a...Deadmanwalking2018-06-04T10:29:53ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Vidmaster7https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1642018-06-04T10:14:27Z2018-06-04T10:14:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">John John wrote:</div><blockquote> With resonance I could imagine them reading a secret technique in a scoll and as long as they commit the resonance they get the bonus. Without item slots its not immediately apparent to me what would break. </blockquote><p>I like that. That's not bad I thought the wraps because it could take up weapon slot but I like your idea better.John John wrote:With resonance I could imagine them reading a secret technique in a scoll and as long as they commit the resonance they get the bonus. Without item slots its not immediately apparent to me what would break.
I like that. That's not bad I thought the wraps because it could take up weapon slot but I like your idea better.Vidmaster72018-06-04T10:14:27ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?John Johnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1632018-06-04T10:12:41Z2018-06-04T10:10:23Z<p>With resonance I could imagine them reading a secret technique in a scoll and as long as they commit the resonance they get the bonus. Without item slots its not immediately apparent to me what would break.</p>With resonance I could imagine them reading a secret technique in a scoll and as long as they commit the resonance they get the bonus. Without item slots its not immediately apparent to me what would break.John John2018-06-04T10:10:23ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Vidmaster7https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1622018-06-04T10:07:34Z2018-06-04T10:07:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks. </blockquote>I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. </blockquote><p>So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head?Weather Report wrote:Vidmaster7 wrote: I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks.
I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up. So they would use not magic items at all or did you have some preferred form in your head?Vidmaster72018-06-04T10:07:34ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1612018-10-05T16:47:19Z2018-06-04T10:02:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Vidmaster7 wrote:</div><blockquote> I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks. </blockquote><p>I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up.Vidmaster7 wrote:I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks.
I would prefer not every Monk ending up with the tea-towels wrapped around their "fists" in order to keep up.Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)2018-06-04T10:02:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Vidmaster7https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1602018-06-04T04:29:05Z2018-06-04T04:29:05Z<p>I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks.</p>I always thought it should of been hand wraps but I suppose this is easier for animal companions and anything with natural attacks.Vidmaster72018-06-04T04:29:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1592018-10-05T16:47:19Z2018-05-21T09:12:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote>Maybe amulet of mighty fists will no longer be a thing, it could be baked into the class (feature or feat), so you can get more interesting items. Every monk walking around with the same bling after a certain level is odd. </blockquote><p>It's one item that can look like anything, so it isn't that odd.
<p>And they've made it pretty clear it still exists (and costs the same as any other magic weapon, rather than the doubled cost of PF1), so it's a thing. </blockquote><p>Ah, well, kind of a bummer for me, but no big deal.Deadmanwalking wrote:Weather Report wrote:Maybe amulet of mighty fists will no longer be a thing, it could be baked into the class (feature or feat), so you can get more interesting items. Every monk walking around with the same bling after a certain level is odd.
It's one item that can look like anything, so it isn't that odd. And they've made it pretty clear it still exists (and costs the same as any other magic weapon, rather than the doubled cost of PF1), so it's a thing. Ah, well, kind...Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)2018-05-21T09:12:17ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Deadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1582018-05-21T08:54:33Z2018-05-21T08:54:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Weather Report wrote:</div><blockquote>Maybe amulet of mighty fists will no longer be a thing, it could be baked into the class (feature or feat), so you can get more interesting items. Every monk walking around with the same bling after a certain level is odd. </blockquote><p>It's one item that can look like anything, so it isn't that odd.
<p>And they've made it pretty clear it still exists (and costs the same as any other magic weapon, rather than the doubled cost of PF1), so it's a thing.</p>Weather Report wrote:Maybe amulet of mighty fists will no longer be a thing, it could be baked into the class (feature or feat), so you can get more interesting items. Every monk walking around with the same bling after a certain level is odd.
It's one item that can look like anything, so it isn't that odd. And they've made it pretty clear it still exists (and costs the same as any other magic weapon, rather than the doubled cost of PF1), so it's a thing.Deadmanwalking2018-05-21T08:54:33ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1572018-10-05T16:47:19Z2018-05-21T07:43:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">LuniasM wrote:</div><blockquote>However, looking at the two components of the current Big 3 that we know - Weapons and Armor - it doesn't seem that every character is going to need or even want these. For instance, Monks and Wizards have no need for armor or conventional weaponry in many cases. </blockquote>Monks are still gonna want an Amulet of Might Fists and everyone who doesn't want armor is gonna want Bracers of Armor. But yeah, number of required items is gonna be sharply limited. </blockquote><p>Maybe amulet of mighty fists will no longer be a thing, it could be baked into the class (feature or feat), so you can get more interesting items. Every monk walking around with the same bling after a certain level is odd.Deadmanwalking wrote:LuniasM wrote:However, looking at the two components of the current Big 3 that we know - Weapons and Armor - it doesn't seem that every character is going to need or even want these. For instance, Monks and Wizards have no need for armor or conventional weaponry in many cases.
Monks are still gonna want an Amulet of Might Fists and everyone who doesn't want armor is gonna want Bracers of Armor. But yeah, number of required items is gonna be sharply limited. Maybe amulet...Weather Report (alias of Vic Ferrari)2018-05-21T07:43:27ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: The 3 necessary magic items and why are they necessary?Captain Morganhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v3wk&page=4?The-3-necessary-magic-items-and-why-are-they#1562018-05-21T04:42:17Z2018-05-21T04:42:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">LuniasM wrote:</div><blockquote>However, looking at the two components of the current Big 3 that we know - Weapons and Armor - it doesn't seem that every character is going to need or even want these. For instance, Monks and Wizards have no need for armor or conventional weaponry in many cases. </blockquote>Monks are still gonna want an Amulet of Might Fists and everyone who doesn't want armor is gonna want Bracers of Armor. But yeah, number of required items is gonna be sharply limited. </blockquote><p>The description I've heard of necessary magic items is ambiguous enough to where the above could cover everything that fits. It's worth noting that not all characters particularly wanted all 6 of the big 6 in PF1. Really, the universal ones were:
<p>—Ring of Protection
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—Cloak of Resistance
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—Stat boosting item. This one cheats though because it is two different types of items and some classes want both. </p>
<p>A paladin would essentially have a big 7 assuming they didn't also have a shield to enchant. Where a wizard really only NEEDS a cloak and headband, with the ring and amulet of natural armor being good if they have decided to invest in AC rather than rely on spell defenses. And if they go that route, Mage Armor is way stronger than any Bracers of Armor you can afford for a very long time. So for them, it is generally a big 4. </p>
<p>A monk wants a belt, a headband, a cloak, a ring, and an amulet of mighty fists. Getting access to regular Mage Armor is usually preferable to bracers at most levels. </p>
<p>All that is to say "2, maybe 3 necessary magic items" could mean something like "weapons and armor, except there are classes that use bracers in place of the armor and some may want the AoMF instead of a weapon."</p>Deadmanwalking wrote:LuniasM wrote:However, looking at the two components of the current Big 3 that we know - Weapons and Armor - it doesn't seem that every character is going to need or even want these. For instance, Monks and Wizards have no need for armor or conventional weaponry in many cases.
Monks are still gonna want an Amulet of Might Fists and everyone who doesn't want armor is gonna want Bracers of Armor. But yeah, number of required items is gonna be sharply limited. The...Captain Morgan2018-05-21T04:42:17Z