Paizo always does this on early release stuff like modules, the art is probably temporary until it is officially released, and so they will use seltyiel as place holder art.
I for one am hoping the magus is a dwarf.
currently we've got a dwarf lore master, worst waste of space ever.
i know harsk is a dwarf too... but i want to see another dwarf.
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Paizo always does this on early release stuff like modules, the art is probably temporary until it is officially released, and so they will use seltyiel as place holder art.
I for one am hoping the magus is a dwarf.
currently we've got a dwarf lore master, worst waste of space ever.
i know harsk is a dwarf too... but i want to see another dwarf.
Selytiel IS the iconic Magus, it was confirmed in a couple of places (and the UM cover art).
Selytiel IS the iconic Magus, it was confirmed in a couple of places (and the UM cover art).Paizo always does this on early release stuff like modules, the art is probably temporary until it is officially released, and so they will use seltyiel as place holder art.
I for one am hoping the magus is a dwarf.
currently we've got a dwarf lore master, worst waste of space ever.
i know harsk is a dwarf too... but i want to see another dwarf.
the iconic magus AND the iconic EK?
possible?
i dunno i havent seen a write up for magus, im lazy.
Not only possible.... probable!
OK, Well THERE is an official semi vague answer if IVe ever seen one,
Besides I love seltyiel, he's my favoirite Iconic.
he breaks so many molds (like including a LE character in a party with a paladin in council of theives) yet he's the quintessential half-elf fighter magic-user.
so much better than some lady with a staff and sword riding a magic carpet.
so umm, why go through the trouble of qualifying for EK if you can just start as a Magus?
the difference I see, is that while the EK can wear medium and heavy armor, and has to take feats to cast in armor. the Magus gets light armor only but can cast in it for free.....
anyone more enligtened on this subject and help me out?
why have both classes?
or is MAGUS somehow going to replace EK?
wondering why (if seltyiel is going to stay the same, just have him take levels of magus) seltyiel didnt start life as magus? why go wiz/ftr/ek/magus?
someone help me out i know there is an answer
An EK is a dilletante who alternates between fighter and wizard and has found some limited way to synergise them. A Magus on the other hand has traded away deep investment in either path to walk a third road which has elements of both but unique elements all it's own.Better BAB maybe? (and a bonus feat at the cost of a caster level...) Yeah, I don't think it's worth it for most builds either, but that's all I'm coming up with.so umm, why go through the trouble of qualifying for EK if you can just start as a Magus?
the difference I see, is that while the EK can wear medium and heavy armor, and has to take feats to cast in armor. the Magus gets light armor only but can cast in it for free.....
anyone more enligtened on this subject and help me out?
why play both?
ok so enlighten me on the trade off...
why for example would seltyiel BE an EK when he can be a magus?
You're not reading what I'm writing are you? Character's don't make those choices.. the players who design them do. Seltyiel isn't someone who's walking around with the Core Rules or the preview to Ultimate Magic. The choice of class is a choice of the STORYTELLER who is chooseing the best way to describe his story. And who's to say that both aren't viable ways to do it?An EK is a dilletante who alternates between fighter and wizard and has found some limited way to synergise them. A Magus on the other hand has traded away deep investment in either path to walk a third road which has elements of both but unique elements all it's own.Better BAB maybe? (and a bonus feat at the cost of a caster level...) Yeah, I don't think it's worth it for most builds either, but that's all I'm coming up with.so umm, why go through the trouble of qualifying for EK if you can just start as a Magus?
the difference I see, is that while the EK can wear medium and heavy armor, and has to take feats to cast in armor. the Magus gets light armor only but can cast in it for free.....
anyone more enligtened on this subject and help me out?
why play both?
ok so enlighten me on the trade off...
why for example would seltyiel BE an EK when he can be a magus?
sure there are two ways to do this.
obviously, what am i asking isnt "give me the min maxing options"what i am saying is i am looking at a character class that at first glance seems to powerful and makes me wonder, why would i ever be something else?
Seltyiel is a person who already is a "fighter/magic-user"
whats the upside to going the EK route, other than access to a borader spell list?
I believe the true question is... Is Seltyiel a placeholder? The only evidence we have of Seltyiel being something other than an EK is his placeholder image on the beta for the new class.
I don't think he's gonna be retconned into a magus. All new classes got their own iconics, Seltyiel is an iconic of two or three things already, and the effort to make a new iconic from scratch requires sort of the least effort involved in making a new class.
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I believe the true question is... Is Seltyiel a placeholder? The only evidence we have of Seltyiel being something other than an EK is his placeholder image on the beta for the new class.
I don't think he's gonna be retconned into a magus. All new classes got their own iconics, Seltyiel is an iconic of two or three things already, and the effort to make a new iconic from scratch requires sort of the least effort involved in making a new class.
Now THAT is a satisfying answer :p Notice how when people just said "they said so" they didn't believe.
Actually he's only been the iconic EK. You've seen him listed elsewhere as fighter only because that's all he could have at first level. Now he's the Iconic for both the Magus and the F/W build version of Eldritch Knight.I believe the true question is... Is Seltyiel a placeholder? The only evidence we have of Seltyiel being something other than an EK is his placeholder image on the beta for the new class.
I don't think he's gonna be retconned into a magus. All new classes got their own iconics, Seltyiel is an iconic of two or three things already, and the effort to make a new iconic from scratch requires sort of the least effort involved in making a new class.
so back to the OPs original question, is seltyiel going to be a magus/ek, now? or a ftr/wizard/magus/ek?
and if so id like to see that build to 20 (just to see how the paizo guys envision it)
Actually he's only been the iconic EK.
Actually, he hasn't. Seltyiel is the iconic multi-class character. Prestige Classes don't get iconics.
so back to the OPs original question, is seltyiel going to be a magus/ek, now? or a ftr/wizard/magus/ek?
and if so id like to see that build to 20 (just to see how the paizo guys envision it)
You forgot the third possibility... that he might be presented both ways. Although I think the choice is going to be between the original F/W Eldritch Knight and straight Magus.
A 20 level build might be nice to see. But I think the sweet spot for iconics is in the 10-15 range, still within that level area before D20 based play seriously breaks down. If a character does not excite me by level 10, he won't at level 20. And quite frankly I see no point in a Magus taking up ANY of the established prestige classes.
It breaks down at 7... Sometimes at 1.
So I have a 5th lev fighter in serpents skull, the original plan was to go wizard next, then ek... so i was tossing fireballs toward the end of serpents skull..
but heres this Magus.
So we all agreed the change my 5th level fighter to a 5th levl magus.
here's how it went...
OUCH i lost my shield (but i picked up shield spell something i planned on doing soon anyway, no biggie)
OUCH i lost hit points! (but it should even out over the course of the game, seeing as wizards have d6)
class skills changed a little.... nothing big.
had to shed my scale mail for a chain shirt (more AC lost)
while i lost feats..i was two weapon fighting with improved shield bash, now im two weapon fighting with a spell int he other hand, more on that later, so in reality i didnt loose anything, feats wise; jut the shield, which i pick up with the shield spell, and tossing a spell is way better than shield bash any day.
im a little wary of wandering into combat and trying to hit things with my sword and cast a spell in their face, are there feats im missing that should help me with this (ive considered skill focus spellcraft and combat casting) but anyone in threat range can get a AoO on me...ewww. help me out with this one.
It sys i can cast a spell for or last but not in the middle of attacks... if i cast a spell first (free hand) then shoot my bow in the other hand (using the free for the arrow) i think this breaks the rules doesnt it...says you need a light or one handed weapon in the other hand, which technically a bow is... but it's not listed that way...
seems like i should be able to shoot a ray and pluck my bow. but maybe not. (probably not)
is that the weakness of the class? (this class's strength being two weapon fighting sword/spell is also its weakness ...ie "bring on a pile of AoOs)?
Playing it last night those are a few of the stumbling blocks i ran into. (that and less hit points combined with less AC)
I was headed for EK anyway, so it will even out eventually, however i can see why one might want to build an EK instead of a MAgus now, they both have their bonuses, and the EK has wider vareity of spells.
but if you are going to play a sword/evoker...seems like magus is the way to go.
also would a magus without any extra feats qualify for two weapon defense?
let me see what else did i run into last night besides alot of (not in the face not in the face!) Oh, never in the history of me playing, have i ever lost a spell because of an AoO i provoked.... so there is a first. (done it as a DM, but not playing)
This class seems to be a "come and get me with your AoOs" as written...maybe the should be a feat or two to help out witht his? Unless Im missing something, it otherwise seems hard to use the class to its fullest without given the baddies tons of free shots.
Well, yes and no. They don't get iconic write-ups, but there are still unamed iconic characters for all the prestige classesActually he's only been the iconic EK.Actually, he hasn't. Seltyiel is the iconic multi-class character. Prestige Classes don't get iconics.
No, there aren't. There's art for all the prestige classes, but they aren't iconic characters. They have no name, no background, no stats, and most importantly, no other art. All the iconics are used in other art pieces, for spells, for book covers, etc etc; the prestige class art characters don't.
Also, we were told way back in beta that the Prestige Classes will not have iconics.
also would a magus without any extra feats qualify for two weapon defense?No... because while Spell Combat is kinda sorta like two weapon fighting.. it's not two weapon fighting. Also it's not a viable option to go for because while the magus can qualify for two weapon fighting and defense by spending the feats, he would lock himself out of spell combat options while using them. Because no matter what you use. Spell combat requires that one hand be free for the entire combat phase.
yea i kinda figured that, i was just looking for options.
two weapon rend would be kinda fun with sword and say vampiric touch in the other hand.
Well, If they were to redo his stat block.
He currently has access to 7th level spells.
The arcana that lets you spell combat with other classes spells can be taken at magus 6..So he could be a Magus 6/Wiz 5/EK 9 would net BAB 15, 7th level wiz spells, 2nd level magus spells and a total of 4 Bonus combat feats.
It could be a decent build....
Nice, you just showed me a bonus to why go wiz/ek combo.... i like.
Technically, wouldn't Seltyiel be the evil twin? He is the only Evil character in the iconics, as I recall (although I still maintain the cavalier is really NE).
I still maintain the cavalier is really NEWhy?
order of the cockatrice is he?
Well, perhaps he's just a Magus/EK. Just because the class and UM book are new to us doesn't mean that it's new to them in Golarion. It was a little weird, have a PrC iconic.
I still maintain the cavalier is really NEWhy?
Look up the Iconics write up for him a few months back. The comment thread for that is full of discussion on that point; I don't want to derail this thread into an Alain thread.
A Magus 10/EK 10 would have 5/5/5/5/5/4 spells casting as a 19th-level caster, count as a 15th-level fighter and 20th-level arcane spellcaster for feats, be able to freely cast in medium armor, have BAB +17, and would have four fighter bonus feats.
A Magus 10/EK 10 would have 5/5/5/5/5/4 spells casting as a 19th-level caster, count as a 15th-level fighter and 20th-level arcane spellcaster for feats, be able to freely cast in medium armor, have BAB +17, and would have four fighter bonus feats.
i like the above version better, some fighter, some wizard, some magus, some ek...gets 7th level spells.
Seltyiel is the iconic for multi-class, hes a half elf,who's race is most adept at multi classing, I dont think they are going to make him a straight magus, especially since he exists in so many publications as a ftr/wiz at the beginning of his adventuring career.
although there could be some fudge room with his, seeing as magus is a ftr wizard... but you all dont forget, seltyiel has his bat, dargenti. So his build will use an arcanna to get a familiar, boo hoo to all those trying to optimize him out.
With the pregens being removed from the AP products, I'm thinking this is kind of a moot point. For the most part, the iconics exist to make art orders easier, and its pretty much their primary function at this point.
Seltyiel is the iconic pale guy with pointed ears carrying a sword while doing magic stuff.
Although at some point in time it might matter depending on what pregens they update for PFS, and if they expand the classes available.
Hi,
This was only quick (not the most optimised) but has ravingdorks Spell Perfection- Intensified Maximised Cone of Cold trick. Admixture School makes it quite versatile for damage.
Build: Magus 20
Race: Half-Elf
Favored Class- Magus (hit points)
STR 14
DEX 20
CON 16
WIS 8
INT 23
CHA 10
Traits: Desperate Focus, Magical Knack1Arcane Pool +1, Cantrips, Spell Combat, Combat Casting, Skill Focus: Diplomacy
2Spellstrike
3Magus Arcana (Arcane Accuracy), Extra Arcana: Concentrate
4Pool Spell
5Arcane Pool +2, Power Attack, Wpn Fcs: Longsword
6Magus Arcana (Broad Study)
7Arcane Bond- Familiar, Admixture School, Scribe Scroll, Intensify Spell
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9Empower Spell
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11Maximise Spell
12Critical Focus
13Step up
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15Spell Perfection (Cone of Cold)
16Blinding Critical
17Following Step
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19Staggering Critical
20Step up and Strike
Ok this is a magus wizard EK build, but it really should not say Magus 20.