I wanted a bit of explanation on just how this works.. Do I use both tasks from a single challenge or choose one from two? I'm confused simply because a lot of the basic challenges seem to contradict each other, or like they would be choices instead of a process.
Here's a list of the most contradictory/seems like singular steps rather than a combined process.. which admittedly is a lot of them
Contradictory Instructions.
Task 1: Find the Sounder choice
Task 2: Choose a Middle Path
Cryptic Cross-reference
Task 1: follow the footnotes
Task 2: Make something up
Distracting visitor
Task 1: Ignore them
Task 2: Send them away
Emotion requirement
Task 1: elicit that emotion through song
Task 2: manipulate others
Energy Overload
Task 1: Channel into Your Body Fortitude DC 20 + item’s caster level
Task 2: Divert to Another Item Craft (item’s type) DC 20 + item’s
caster level
Historic Stumbling block
Task 1: Learn From History
Task 2: Solve it Yourself
Illegal ingredients
Entreat the black market
Smuggle it yourself
Infested ingredients
Procure replacements
Purge the infestation
Ingredients become sentient
Coax them to greater performance
Magically force them into order
(This one even explicitly mentions different possibilities on a success dependent on choice)
Intrusive spirit
Exorcise the spirit
Seek the Spirit's Aid
Planar Peculiarity
Consult an orrery
Secure Outsider's assistance
Reagent shortage
Improvise a substitution
Search for more
Regal Requisite
Exploit noble ties
falsify the ingredients.
Sesquipedalian Elucidation
Consult a dictionary
Make up your own big words
Structural flaw
disassemble and adjust
turn to your advantage
Sudden inspiration
seems like it could be a process but also seems like it could need something else overall.
Crisis of faith (divine casters only)
Persevere
Search for answers
Instability from within (casters with power from within only)
Account for it
roll with it
Natural disaster (nature only)
Harness it
Take the proper precautions.
Natural wonder
Reflect on it
Show respect to it
Otherworldly aid
Alter construction accordingly
redirect their efforts
Otherworldly interference
Convince them to stop
Use protective measures.
Personal Surge
Embrace the power
Focus on the surge
Sign from the gods
Donate to the faith
Offer prayers of thanks.
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I wanted a bit of explanation on just how this works.. Do I use both tasks from a single challenge or choose one from two? I'm confused simply because a lot of the basic challenges seem to contradict each other, or like they would be choices instead of a process.
Here's a list of the most contradictory/seems like singular steps rather than a combined process.. which admittedly is a lot of them
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According to the PRD, you have:
Each challenge presents two tasks. One creator can choose a single task to attempt, or two creators can each choose to do a different task. This choice of tasks to attempt must be made before rolling any associated checks. Creators can't take 10 or 20 (even with bardic knowledge or skill mastery) or benefit from aid another on item creation tasks.
Some tasks don't require checks, but present other conditions for success. If a creator takes on such a task, it must be completed before attempting a task that involves a check.
If the creators decide to attempt both tasks for a given challenge, each task must be attempted by a different creator. For instance, when faced with a sesquipedalian elucidation challenge, a wizard might pull out his dictionary and attempt a Linguistics check, while a rogue might choose to make up her own big words and attempt a Use Magic Device check. The number of tasks attempted and their success or failure determines the outcome of the challenge, as detailed below.
One Task Attempted .. Both Tasks Attempted .. Challenge Result
— .. Succeed at both .. Critical success
Succeed .. Succeed at one and fail the other by less than 5 .. Success
Fail .. Succeed at one and fail the other by 5 or more .. Failure
— .. Fail both .. Critical failure
You can do one or you can do one while another does the other.
If only one task is attempted, you get success or failure.If two tasks are attempted, you open up the possibility of a critical success or failure. This would net you bonuses or penalties beyond what is expected.
/cevah
I wanted a bit of explanation on just how this works.. Do I use both tasks from a single challenge or choose one from two? I'm confused simply because a lot of the basic challenges seem to contradict each other, or like they would be choices instead of a process.
Here's a list of the most contradictory/seems like singular steps rather than a combined process.. which admittedly is a lot of them
<snip>
According to the PRD, you have:
Each challenge presents two tasks. One creator can choose a single task to attempt, or two creators can each choose to do a different task. This choice of tasks to attempt must be made before rolling any associated checks. Creators can't take 10 or 20 (even with bardic knowledge or skill mastery) or benefit from aid another on item creation tasks.
Some tasks don't require checks, but present other conditions for success. If a creator takes on such a task, it must be completed before attempting a task that involves a check.
If the creators decide to attempt both tasks for a given challenge, each task must be attempted by a different creator. For instance, when faced with a sesquipedalian elucidation challenge, a wizard might pull out his dictionary and attempt a Linguistics check, while a rogue might choose to make up her own big words and attempt a Use Magic Device check. The number of tasks attempted and their success or failure determines the outcome of the challenge, as detailed below.
One Task Attempted .. Both Tasks Attempted .. Challenge Result
— .. Succeed at both .. Critical success
Succeed .. Succeed at one and fail the other by less than 5 .. Success
Fail .. Succeed at one and fail the other by 5 or more .. Failure
— .. Fail both .. Critical failureYou can do one or you can do one while another does the other.
If only one task is attempted, you get...
I apologize that it took me so long to acknowledge you, But I greatly appreciate your Elucidation on the topic of this rule.