Miracle as a Supernatural Ability

[Forgotten Knight]

As per the spell Miracle, you can duplicate any other (non-cleric) spell of 7th level or lower.

Also a duplicated spell allows saving throws and spell resistance as normal, but the save DCs are as for a 9th-level spell. When a miracle spell duplicates a spell with a material component that costs more than 100 gp, you must provide that component.

If we look at Supernatural Abilities they aren't subject to spell resistance, counterspells, or dispel magic. Also as Spell Like abilities they have no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus.

Now my question is this.

Let say I used a Miracle (as a Supernatural Ability) to duplicate the effect of the spell Flesh to Stone. Is Flesh to Stone then treated as a Supernatural Ability, because I am using Miracle (as a Supernatural Ability), or is it treated list a spell, and thus allowing spell resistance?

[Val'bryn2]

Miracle would never be a Supernatural ability, it would always have to be spell-like, because it is a spell.

[VoodistMonk]

I was also curious as to how you were using Miracle as a Supernatural ability...

[willuwontu]

If the ability functions as per the spell Miracle, the duplicated spell would be subject to spell resist and saving throws as per normal.

"Miracle wrote:

A duplicated spell allows saving throws and spell resistance as normal, but the save DCs are as for a 9th-level spell. When a miracle spell duplicates a spell with a material component that costs more than 100 gp, you must provide that component.

[blahpers]

The closest analogue I can find is the exalted prestige class's Perform Miracle (Su), which is similar to a 7th-level version of miracle in that it can duplicate spells. It has the same verbiage as miracle with respect to spell resistance applying. It's clearly intended to work as a limited miracle ability.

If you somehow got miracle as a supernatural ability (of which I know no method), I would rule it works the same way as above--the act of performing the miracle would be supernatural (so no concentration, etc.), but the effect would be that of the duplicated spell (so yes to spell resistance, etc.)

[Zarius]

Personally, IF you could get Miracle as an SU (I actually CAN think of one hypothetical way to do it, but it's slightly horrifying, and stupidly expensive), anything it duplicates would fall under it's own normal guidelines... If I'm gonna let you pop off a 25k Wish for free, Stoneskin is nothing. I'd rule the spell-copying properties would be free just because it'd be stupid to tell you THAT has to be paid for when the not-spell property is free.

As a side note, the only OFFICIAL (3rd party) way I know of to get SUs or SLAs (Technically an SLA is an SU that mimics a spell, so they're effectively the same thing) is a form of Limited Wish (1/day) from the Kyubi Paragon kitsune racial prestige class, and it requires you to have taken the Magic Tail feat eight times AND be level 13 before you can even look at it sideways, and it TECHNICALLY requires the 1,500 GP value to be provided - though, in this special case, you CAN provided it in sentimental items, such as childhood keepsakes and such.

[blahpers]

3rd party is, by definition, not official, at least unless your GM says it is. It's basically house rules someone thought people would like enough to buy. At that point, it's a matter of asking the 3p publisher what their intent was.