Pathfinder 2nd ed & BR-Portuguese license

[Talurask]

Hi, I'm a brazilian Pathfinder and taking advantage of the impact of the announcement of the 2nd edition of Pathfinder RPG, I'd like to say a few brief but meaningful words.

Here in Brazil, Pathfinder's license is in Devir publishing company hands. However, in almost 10 years of the game, they have published only the Core Rulebook and Bestiary (in 2015, 6 years after the Core release in english), two books and nothing more... Not even an information or news. Zero. Zip. Nothing. Nada.

As demonstrated over so many years and through other works (of VERY questionable quality, it is important to say) they have no respect for the fans, and do not intend to publish anything else related to Pathfinder, just because they think that it is not profitable enough.

So, I (representing the others brazilian Pathfinders) came here to ask your help: PLEASE, Paizo, don't give/sell the 2nd Edition license/rights to Devir, at Brasil. We want to buy and play the game in brazilian portuguese, to spread the hobby to new players, but Devir has already shown that it is not willing to do so. They just DON'T WANT to publish.

We have a lot of other qualified, excellent publishing companies here, so please, don't sell it to Devir. Sell it to anyone, apart from them.

PLEASE! LISTEN TO THE BRAZILIAN FANS! DO NOT SELL THE RIGHTS TO DEVIR!

To the international community, I just need your help. Make this message reach Paizo's staff, share the hashtag #foraDevir in portuguese and #notDevir in english, so they can see it and regards to give a more fair destiny to the game.

I also posted it on the Pathfinder RPG Facebook group! Please support it!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/20416871387/permalink/10156341471531388/

#foraDevir #notDevir

[Paladin83]

I agree. Its been years with only 3 books translated. Devir is well known in Brazil for their terrible service

[Rafael Tschope]

I make Talurak's words my own. Not only they do not respect their customers, but in many cases there are some major translation and quality issues in their books. #foraDevir #notDevir

[Radamanthys]

Thing are dark with Pathfinder BR... #notDevir

[Draco Bahamut]

I have been Venture Captain for Brazil for a long time, tried to contact Devir about support or joint efforts in conventions, but never got any serious answer. Most Brazilians don't speak English, and I need a translation for the guide and scenarios, and even offering to translate myself, they never returned my mails.

[Kalhysha]

There is a huge RPG market here, we even have our own online program (RRPG Firecast) with a big community and going international maybe this year.... And still people play Tormenta, the national scenario and system just because it's in portuguese. Or play 3.5 because they can find it in portuguese.

[crazynando]

Pathfinder is the latest d20 system in the hands of Devir Brazil. In the past they owned the third edition license plus other systems, but gradually their poor service caused them the loss of all those licenses. Why does Paizo still license only for them to bar the material in our language?

[Bruno Mares]

Sadly, this is the very truth of Pathfinder BR... :'(

Totally agree with the post.

#foraDevir #notDevir

[Sharaya]

Thanks for letting us know. I'm linking this thread to our licensing team.

~Sharaya

[Pedro Coelho]

Hi Sharaya, we were having that discussion over at FB and, if it helps bring context to the issue, here's what I had to say there:

"Well, in all honesty, I'm kind of torn about Devir. On the one hand, if it weren't for their work in the 90's, I'd probably never have gotten into tabletop RPG in the first place. I knew the company as a comic book store first, and as a teenager it was a big deal for me to get to go there, since I lived a bit far from it. I was nuts about that store. US Dollar and Brazilian Real were nearly 1 to 1, and they worked with a ton of imported comic books—and, alas, a quite nice selection of RPG books, too.

Back, then, as a publisher, they released lots of good-quality translated material of the Old World of Darkness (and I mean a LOT of core books and sourcebooks from the major White Wolf product lines). In the early 2000s, they also did a fairly good job with Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition. I'm not sure if it was the economic crisis in the end of FHC's government and beginning of 's, but something went wrong around that time. Dollar skyrocketed, the store business plummeted and by then White Wolf, which had been a huge part of Devir's publishing line (even if they also had D&D), had already lost much of its importance in the international (and national) RPG scene. After that, I kind of lost track of what Devir was doing. From what I saw they weren't that bad at publishing D&D 4th, but I can't really tell because I skipped that edition. After a while, they sold the physical store and that pretty much meant the end of the Devir I thought I knew.

Which brings us to Pathfinder and Devir's current stand in Brazil. Devir has nowadays very few RPG licenses, and their editorial focus seems completely geared towards the Magic: the Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh! card games, which is understandable considering card games have always been the best-selling products in specialized stores (and MtG in particular). But truth is, they have barely given any attention to Pathfinder in Brazil and their release schedule is amateurish to say the least. I cannot speak for the quality of the products and translation, since I haven't seen the books in person, but the fact that there's no release plan for new products, and that there are so few of them out after this long, speaks volumes.

Plus, the company keeps dodging every question regarding those issues, and the relationship with the public not only is not transparent but has really gone sour for a good part of the potential buyers, which have become alienated from the Devir brand. So, in a sense, despite all they have done historically for the RPG scene in Brazil, Devir has become somewhat toxic to that same environment, as a brief conversation with most local RPG groups will quickly demonstrate if the subject comes up.

It seems to me they are focused on Devir Iberia and the Spanish market, and that the portuguese license is just something that came along with that deal and they have no interest in pursuing. Devir hasn't really shown any interest in publishing in Brazil (or Portugal, for that matter) and is not doing much to advance Paizo's intellectual property in these markets, which should maybe raise some eyebrows back on the homefront (or not, depending on what Paizo's goals regarding localization are).

We have no idea what the terms of Paizo's contract with Devir are, but if they are treating Pathfinder 2nd as a new product line, this would actually be a great time to find a partner that is willing and able to do the work instead of sit on the publishing rights. Perhaps keep a separate deal for Devir Iberia that does not include Brazil, so that other local publishers can take a shot at Pathfinder. Considering the current enthusiasm of some specialized gaming publishers that have established themselves in the market during these past few years, I believe there are companies that are, if not better prepared, more willing to take the Pathfinder license and actually do something with it.

And I hope that what happened to the D&D 5th localization serves as a cautionary tale to all those hoping to jump at this opportunity, should it present itself."

[Maradona]

#OutDevir #ForaDevir

I make Talurask's and Pedro's words as mine. Devir was a great company in the 90s, but now despise the RPG players. Paizo, listen to your Brazilians customers and let a new company try to make Pathfinder 2 a huge RPG in Brazil.
I hope we can finally play Pathfinder in Portuguese...

[AcidGex]

The Despise of Devir by the RPG in Brazil is notorious for years.
We Fans need a proper publisher.

#OutDevir #ForaDevir

[Canadian Bakka]

As a Brazilian RPG fan (who has been living in Canada for decades), I am shocked to hear that the publication of translated Pathfinder products in Brasil is that awful! The biggest reason why I got into roleplaying games at all in the paper and pen format was because of a summer I spent in Brasil with my cousins playing Dungeons and Dragons. Because of how much fun I had then, I got the courage to join a RPG club in university when I got back home after that vacation.

I vividly remember how prolific and vibrant the RPG marketplace was in Brasil back in the 90's and very early 2000's. It saddens me to hear that Pathfinder did not enjoy as much success in Brasil under Devir's management as it could have under a different publisher that was competent, diligent, and committed to ensuring a flourishing RPG marketplace.

#ForaDevir #OutDevir

CB

[LuciusMalfoy]

#ForaDevir #OutDevir

[Vic Wertz]

We'd be thrilled to have a more active presence, but we don't exactly have a line of established publishers waiting in the wings. If you are aware of an established RPG publisher with an excellent customer reputation and a solid, existing distribution network, please ask them to contact Vice President of Marketing & Licensing Jim Butler at [e-mail].

[Paladinosaur]

Well maybe Jambô Editora?

[Rune]

I second what has been said: I started DMing with D&D 3rd edition and their release schedule was actually great, despite some major translation mishaps. After that they just seemed to give up.

I DM Pathfinder since the alpha and have bought a couple of books and a LOT of pdfs - not one of them in Portuguese since their release has been abysmal to say the least. I would love to try to introduce the system to new players (and maybe even join or run PFS), but the language barrier is still a major problem. If we had a translated edition of Pathfinder I would surely buy the books and collect the line.

[Rune]

Paladinosaur wrote:

Well maybe Jambô Editora?

Considering that their major product is a customized D&D 3.5-compatible medieval fantasy RPG, I believe that to be a pretty big conflict of interests.

[Dante Doom]

I second my friends here... There are other better publishers. We as a community will try to make contact!

[true_shinken]

I don't think it's fair to blame Devir for the current state of their game lines, specially now.
Due to some internal issues I don't really understand, Devir Brasil had little control over what they could release for a few years. It all changed last year, when company control returned to the team that really cares about RPG. They released their first RPG in a long time, A Bandeira do Elefante e da Arara, and they also announced Pathfinder last year. It's getting released this year, even. That's a very small delay window.

I understand completely how people could be worried and reticent about having Pathfinder 2nd Edition arrive at Brazil through Devir. But I know they are passionate about their work, I know they are very good at distribution and I know they are trying their hard to get things back on track.

If it were up to me, I'd give them a chance, specially because if they don't get another chance, Starfinder is getting delayed.

[DarkosFenix]

#OutDevir #ForaDevir
As a Brazilian, I totally agree with everyone here. It's been around 3 years since I started to actually play RPGs (Because of Pathfinder, I randomly found the book in a book store and that sparkled what I need to start to actualy play tabletop RPGs) and in this 3 years I HAVE NEVER SEEN A SINGLE COPY OF PATHFINDER IN PT-BR!!! NEVER EVER!!!! Not only that, there's what everyone said here, in the past 10 years the low quality and lack of products by Devir is not even questionable as it is pretty clear that it's low quality and there's basically nothing for us here
I think that the best choices would be New Order Editora, Redbox and Retropunk
Seriously, PLEASE DO NOT SELL THE RIGHTS TO DEVIR PUBLISH PATHFINDER HERE, I DO ACTUALY WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING, ANYTHING FROM PATHFINDER, THAT WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE BECAUSE DEVIR DOES NOT WANT TO PUBLISH ANYTHING

[Lord Lothar]

So true... Sorry devir, but we need some love! <3

[ShdMark1]

Devir really ashames us all. Never saw a single book in portuguese from Devir in any RPG store around here, i also heard that the translation is pretty average... We f*** need a good publisher that actually publishes books instead of just holding the rights to do so!! Pleasee, #ForaDevir!!

[Rafael Tschope]

true_shinken wrote:

I don't think it's fair to blame Devir for the current state of their game lines, specially now.

Due to some internal issues I don't really understand, Devir Brasil had little control over what they could release for a few years. It all changed last year, when company control returned to the team that really cares about RPG. They released their first RPG in a long time, A Bandeira do Elefante e da Arara, and they also announced Pathfinder last year. It's getting released this year, even. That's a very small delay window.

I understand completely how people could be worried and reticent about having Pathfinder 2nd Edition arrive at Brazil through Devir. But I know they are passionate about their work, I know they are very good at distribution and I know they are trying their hard to get things back on track.

If it were up to me, I'd give them a chance, specially because if they don't get another chance, Starfinder is getting delayed.

Sorry, man, but they had their chance. It has been at least three years that I am hearing that they'll release this pathfinder book or that pathfinder book. Changeling the Lost got delayed a lot, many nWoD books weren't released. You say that the team that cares about RPGs returned, but that is not really correct, since their founder passed away recently. This new RPG they released could be a political maneuver, since it is quite educational and they have government contracts.

Most important, is that they promise a lot, but never fulfill. Ask anyone who was expecting nWoD books. Although I must give it to you, their distribution network is quite good... For boardgames and comics.

[Marcus Steelfeather]

true_shinken wrote:

If it were up to me, I'd give them a chance, specially because if they don't get another chance, Starfinder is getting delayed.

I won't. They still have zero respect for us. They don't share any news on translating and printing schedules, they don't communicate with the fans at all on RPG events. They have very poor quality when they finnally publish something. The prices are freaking high, even considering the dollar tag (Like, i'm not paying 300 bucks on the Pathfinder Corebook in portuguese, when I can pay 150, including shipping, on the original in english).

Also, look at the Devir "quality".

Maybe Redbox Editora will show some interest?

[Bowen Drake]

Hello!

I'm also Brazilian.

I do not believe Devir is interested in publishing Pathfinder RPG books in Portuguese.

To this day Devir has published only the Core Rulebook, the adventure "We be Goblin", the first Bestiary and the GM screen.

I asked to Devir, through Twitter, if they would publish more Pathfinder RPG books in Portuguese. The answer was something like "we will publish more books" however, they do not say whichare the books they will publish or when these books will be published.

And this situation (evasive answers) is a constant.

I went to two "Book Biennials" in Rio de Janeiro and asked to members of Devir's team if Devir would release new Pathfinder books and always received evasive answers.

That's why I believe that Devir has no interest in publishing Pathfinder RPG books in Brazil.

[occult]

What had to be said has already been said. I'm just showing up to agree with the critics about Devir's inertia.

[earthbreakerr]

Brazilian here.

Considering that Devir has the Pathfinder license for so many years, and so far has released just the Core Rulebook, Bestiary and We Are Goblins (all selled for prices higher than the option to import the english books, and considering that We Be Goblins is free and was selled by Devir...) in almost 10 years of the game, WE REALLY DON'T WANT DEVIR to take Pathfinder 2nd Edition license.

If Paizo sell the PF2 license to Devir, it'd be just another dead game in Brazil, where we are 207 million and only 5% of the population speak english... So, PLEASE, PAIZO, DO NOT SELL PATHFINDER SECOND EDITION TO DEVIR!!! Devir just don't care about us, don't sell the books. We NEVER found even the books she translated in the stores, and even online is hard to buy; and for record, these books have a very bad quality of translation (a LOT of errors and mistakes) and design/paper/images, to say at least.

Devir just don't have a open channel to speak with the fans, rarely give answers and, when they do (once in a million), it's just evasive, meaningless phrases...

So, Paizo, please please please please, don't sell Pathfinder Second Edition to Devir. They don't care about the game, the fans, or even money (since it's a discarted market opportunity in a 207 million country).

We have a lot of other competent, excellent publishers here. I, by myself, prefer New Order Editora (http://newordereditora.com.br / [e-mail]), who has a really open communication channel with the fans, release a lot of books and has published a lot of bigger games, as 13th Age, Numenera, 7th Sea, Shadowrun, Call of Cthulhu, Legend of Five Rings and many others.

A good option would also be Pensamento Coletivo, which has published Shadow of the Demon Lord and Interface Zero (http://www.pensamentocoletivo.com.br).

Please, just don't sell it to Devir (and I'd not sell it to Redbox too, which has legal problems in the court due to some mess with D&D 5e)

#OutDevir #ForaDevir #NotDevir

[Rafael Tschope]

Personally I'd say New Order (http://newordereditora.com.br) is currently the best for the job. It has amazing quality, very good customer service and a fair distribution network (I find their books in many places where I wouldn't expect it.)

Just #notdevir.

[Freddonci]

Hello fellow Pathfinders, newbie here, at least on the forum anyway... So Devir... I'll start saying that I get most of my information about rules and stuff on PDR but in any case you Paizo guys are doing an amazing job at pushing Gary Gygax legacy forward. I mean, golarion is an amazing setting an this deserve all the sugar it can get, anywhere. So I'm here to back the campaign #notDevir #outDevir #nãoDevir started by my fellow Talurask few days ago. I might add that he is but the voice that spoke first and this debate about Devir's "unfitness to rule" (or unwillingness) Pathfinder in Brazil is almost consensus here.

That being said, I'll try to go to the proposition side and state that there's are at least three fairly organized RPG publishing companies here in Brazil.

- Red Box: that pursued D&D 5th edition and is entangled with Devir on a law suit shenanigans

- Jambô: already connected to D20 systems and also publishes a Brazilian settings called Tormenta

- New Order: was created specially to publish RPG stuff

Hope it helps. Cheers.

[Bardo_RS]

#nodevir

I play RPG for more than 30 years and this publisher is never good, but the last years with Pathfinder in the hand of Devir is like the game dont exist for Brazilian. Three books (core, monsters, not the last prints, and one adventure) in five years or more.
The card game is another one suffer in hand of she, error in cards, error in sheets, and more delays in adventures cards.

Plz have some other competent publishers in Brazil to give this nice game a chance.

[NetoD20]

I'd just like to join my voice to the others here. Not much more to say, I've bought a lot of Devir products from 3rd edition era, and the only thing that I can say about it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

Also, even if anyone says that Devir is not publishing Pathfinder in Brazil because the RPG market here is much smaller than in the US nad because it is supposedly not profitable enough, one just needs to take a look at other brazilian RPG companies which, although small and supplying for a niche market, have successfully launched original TTRPGs here. I think the cheaper softcover Pathfinder books would make a lot of success here, just look at the all-softcover books from the national publisher Old Dragon, they are cheap but good quality, and sell well in our markets.

[Bowen Drake]

Hello again!

I have a question for Paizo's team.

Since Paizo owns the Pathfinder RPG and has sold the Pathfinder RPG's Portuguese publishing rights to Devir, there is no possibility of Paizo require(to Devir) that a schedule of publications be presented (listing which Pathfinder RPG titles will be launched in Portuguese and when will they launch)?

I go further.

After Devir presents this schedule, is it not possible for Paizo to oblige Devir to comply with such a schedule?

Thanks in advance!

Bowen Drake

[Alucard1978]

Hi Im Marcos from Brazil, and this situation that my brothers above are talking is real. Devir left my country but carry all the licenses, so that is the reason that Pathfinder, Starfinder is not too famous in my country. We have a good factory in Brazil for RPG, it calls New Order, and they have much interest on your products. So what you think?

[Eduardo_M]

This situation with Devir is a real trouble. We are willingly discussing and trying to contact other possible publishers here in Brazil that are interested on this license.

[Jim Butler]

First and foremost, thanks for everyone's feedback. I've spoken with Devir about their upcoming products for Brazil, and they have plans to produce a number of books this year and next for both Pathfinder and Starfinder.

Pathfinder in 2018:

April: Inner Sea World Guide
May: Kingmaker Adventure Path #1 (parts 1 and 2)
August: Kingmaker Adventure Path #2 (parts 3 and 4)
November: Kingmaker Adventure Path #3 (parts 5 and 6)

Starfinder in 2018
June: Core Rulebook
October: Alien Archives

For 2019, you'll see the Jade Regent Adventure Path and more core Pathfinder books released. They'll also kick off the Dead Suns Adventure Path for Starfinder and Pact Worlds.

Once partners receive the final rules for Second Edition, we'll let everyone know their plans. We don't expect to know that until later in 2019, however.

Thanks again for supporting Paizo, and if you have any questions feel free to post here in the forums or drop me an email ([e-mail]).

-Jim

[Draco Bahamut]

Thank you Mr. Butler,

Devir Brasil says they changed their ways an we will be watching closely. Any words about support over Pathfinder Society Organized Play ?

[Joaoecb]

Great news!

[Rafael Tschope]

Jim Butler wrote:

First and foremost, thanks for everyone's feedback. I've spoken with Devir about their upcoming products for Brazil, and they have plans to produce a number of books this year and next for both Pathfinder and Starfinder.

Pathfinder in 2018:

April: Inner Sea World Guide
May: Kingmaker Adventure Path #1 (parts 1 and 2)
August: Kingmaker Adventure Path #2 (parts 3 and 4)
November: Kingmaker Adventure Path #3 (parts 5 and 6)

Starfinder in 2018
June: Core Rulebook
October: Alien Archives

For 2019, you'll see the Jade Regent Adventure Path and more core Pathfinder books released. They'll also kick off the Dead Suns Adventure Path for Starfinder and Pact Worlds.

Once partners receive the final rules for Second Edition, we'll let everyone know their plans. We don't expect to know that until later in 2019, however.

Thanks again for supporting Paizo, and if you have any questions feel free to post here in the forums or drop me an email ([e-mail]).

-Jim

Great news! But (there is always a but), what will be done if this schedule is not fulfilled? I mean, a delay of one month or even two we can understand, but what if, let's say, Kingmaker ends up in the limbo this year?

My point is, it is easy to say that many things will be translated but never actually are. We brazilians know that Devir has promissed a lot of things before but never fulfilled. I really want to know if there will be some kind of "fiscalization" by Paizo to those deadlines.

Thanks!

[Kemedo]

There were a group willing to publish D&D 5th Edition here, but they got some intern ( Game of Thrones like , article on portuguese) problem, and are disputing.... RedBox and Meeple BR (not Fire on Board), apparently had the structure and market-known to assume Pathfinder 2nd if needed.

[Guxta]

Ok... it's April 25 and until now we don't have even an announcement about the Inner Sea World Guide by Devir. I don't know how it works but I think it had to have been announced in earlier Jan or Feb. Still waiting...

And I dream every day with a Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path (complete edition). EVERY SINGLE DAY!!! kkkkkkkkkkkkk

[Dante Doom]

Jim Butler wrote:

First and foremost, thanks for everyone's feedback. I've spoken with Devir about their upcoming products for Brazil, and they have plans to produce a number of books this year and next for both Pathfinder and Starfinder.

Pathfinder in 2018:

April: Inner Sea World Guide
May: Kingmaker Adventure Path #1 (parts 1 and 2)
August: Kingmaker Adventure Path #2 (parts 3 and 4)
November: Kingmaker Adventure Path #3 (parts 5 and 6)

Starfinder in 2018
June: Core Rulebook
October: Alien Archives

For 2019, you'll see the Jade Regent Adventure Path and more core Pathfinder books released. They'll also kick off the Dead Suns Adventure Path for Starfinder and Pact Worlds.

Once partners receive the final rules for Second Edition, we'll let everyone know their plans. We don't expect to know that until later in 2019, however.

Thanks again for supporting Paizo, and if you have any questions feel free to post here in the forums or drop me an email ([e-mail]).

-Jim

Hi Jim! today is May 1st, and not only did we not receive the book but Devir did not even touch the subject.

I'm sorry to inform you, but this was only the first time that Devir lies to you. We Brazilians are already used to it ... So that's what we're talking abou: Pathfinder in Brazil has this kind representation: of a company that is not interested and does not care about its supporters

[Eduardo_M]

Hello, @Jim Butler. Once more Devir lied about publishing Pathfinder books to brazilians. Its a lie to us, its a lie to Paizo. It's may 1st and not a single word from Devir about pathfinder books. I would love to see another company or group having the chance to translate/publish pathfinder material in Brazil.

[Bardo_RS]

Jim Butler wrote:

First and foremost, thanks for everyone's feedback. I've spoken with Devir about their upcoming products for Brazil, and they have plans to produce a number of books this year and next for both Pathfinder and Starfinder.

Pathfinder in 2018:

April: Inner Sea World Guide
May: Kingmaker Adventure Path #1 (parts 1 and 2)
August: Kingmaker Adventure Path #2 (parts 3 and 4)
November: Kingmaker Adventure Path #3 (parts 5 and 6)

Starfinder in 2018
June: Core Rulebook
October: Alien Archives

For 2019, you'll see the Jade Regent Adventure Path and more core Pathfinder books released. They'll also kick off the Dead Suns Adventure Path for Starfinder and Pact Worlds.

Once partners receive the final rules for Second Edition, we'll let everyone know their plans. We don't expect to know that until later in 2019, however.

Thanks again for supporting Paizo, and if you have any questions feel free to post here in the forums or drop me an email ([e-mail]).

-Jim

No books, no calendar, nothing new in the franchise Pathfinder RPG.

Now did they lie in front of you any chance to hear us and try to give the torch to some other publisher in Brazil?
Better a small or medium company that wants to publish some books and get space in the market, than a larger one without the desire to grow the Pathfinder RPG community (yes Devir has one wish, do not let another compete in the local market, just that).

But if the 1st edition was a waste in Brazil with Devir do not let the 2nd edition of Pathfinder go to the same course, do not give to the same publisher please. I do not want to lose players just by a language barrier easy to fix in today's world.

[CrystalSeas]

I suggest you folks also send a Private Message to Jim Butler.

Just click on his name to get to his profile page and then click "send private message"

[Eduwit]

Jim Butler wrote:

First and foremost, thanks for everyone's feedback. I've spoken with Devir about their upcoming products for Brazil, and they have plans to produce a number of books this year and next for both Pathfinder and Starfinder.

Pathfinder in 2018:

April: Inner Sea World Guide
May: Kingmaker Adventure Path #1 (parts 1 and 2)
August: Kingmaker Adventure Path #2 (parts 3 and 4)
November: Kingmaker Adventure Path #3 (parts 5 and 6)

Starfinder in 2018
June: Core Rulebook
October: Alien Archives

For 2019, you'll see the Jade Regent Adventure Path and more core Pathfinder books released. They'll also kick off the Dead Suns Adventure Path for Starfinder and Pact Worlds.

Once partners receive the final rules for Second Edition, we'll let everyone know their plans. We don't expect to know that until later in 2019, however.

Thanks again for supporting Paizo, and if you have any questions feel free to post here in the forums or drop me an email ([e-mail]).

-Jim

Soooo... here we are in May, and the feeling that we have is that Pathfinder is dead and gone. Our choices as brazillian fans are, or the original books, that come with an exorbitant price, or we still hostages of a publisher that already give up of the RPG.

We have amazing publishers here, that make an excellent job showing respect to the original material, and I really hope Paizo see that.
And I realy hope tha Paizo cancel their contract with an publisher that just don't care since 2008 about RPG and products like that.

[Jim Butler]

Thanks for letting me know. Let me check in with Devir and find out what's happening.

[Kemedo]

We already saw that novel of Devir's calendar in Pathfinder and even on others titles. Maybe this time, our voices may be heard.

We have samples of what we are saying throught the years here in this forum:

2015 Topic

2016

I could point that, per exemple, Pathfinder Card Games in portuguese was one of the worst translations jobs I see from a big company, this is another exemple on what we are talking here. Problems varies from not revised texts , bad printing , pixelating art , non-standart on terms, late launches, cancelments and so on. On Ludopedia (the brazilian Boardgeek site), we counted about 103 translations mistakes on Core Box . Just to do an exemple on what we are complaining here.

If you want to check anothers companies, I could suggest:

Redbox
Meeple BR
They both have the structure to translate and publish Pathfinder RPg books for sure (they were negotiating with another company Fire On Boards the D&D5 translation, until some problems with this last one occur).

We have anothers renoumed publishers:
Galápagos Jogos
Jambô Editora
Grow
Abril
Ludofy
Conclave
Daemon
Mandala
KronosGames
And the list goes one.

Free us from the evil's shackles of Devir.

[Rodrigo Lasmoreira]

So, whay about it?

Will we remain victims of Devir lies and Paizo's complacency to Devir's infinite excuses/explanations about why not work with a huge product line that have interested customers?

Jim, keep in mind that the ONLY info that we have about Pathfinder/Starfinder in Brasil is what you told us. Devir didn't even confirmed your schedule or said ANYTHING about it. Don't be naive with those liers, just give the license to some company that will work your product and expand your brand...

Any news? Any ideas?

Any other publisher has shown interest? Anyone but Devir will make a better job. Keep that in mind.

[Rafael Tschope]

Jim Butler wrote:

Thanks for letting me know. Let me check in with Devir and find out what's happening.

Hey, Jim! Any news on your front? Mid may already and no news whatsoever on Inner Sea World Guide (due to April, according to the previous schedule) and Kingmaker (due this month).

And to be clear, no problem with delays, as long as they are within an acceptable range and well communicated by the responsibles (Devir, in this case).

Thanks for the support you are giving regarding this subject.