Pirannha Strike for non-light weapons


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Pirannha Strike:
Prerequisites: Weapon Finesse, base attack bonus +1.

Benefit: When wielding a light weapon, you can choose to take a -1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. This bonus to damage is halved (-50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon. When your base attack bonus reaches +4, and for every 4 points thereafter, the penalty increases by -1 and the bonus on damage rolls increases by +2. You must choose to use this feat before the attack roll, and its effects last until your next turn. The bonus damage does not apply to touch attacks or effects that do not deal hit point damage. This feat cannot be used in conjunction with the Power Attack feat.

There are a similar feat to Pirannha Strike usable with non-light weapons?

I'm can't take power attack due to my 11 on strenght and i'm using an elven curven blade as a weapon


Personally, I would just let you take it if you have weapon finesse for the curve blade. Weapon finesse is listed as the prerequisite for the feat, the curve blade is special because it can be finessed but isn't light.

Honestly, it's a melee character, let them do whatever they want, it's not like it will ever matter compared to any spellcaster.

Lantern Lodge

Is there a way that you can get 13 strength? Like have you already built this character? If you are using an elven curved blade it’s vital that you have 13 strength so you can use power attack since it scales better with a two handed weapon.


VoodistMonk wrote:

Personally, I would just let you take it if you have weapon finesse for the curve blade. Weapon finesse is listed as the prerequisite for the feat, the curve blade is special because it can be finessed but isn't light.

Honestly, it's a melee character, let them do whatever they want, it's not like it will ever matter compared to any spellcaster.

Cool for home tables, not cool for PFS.

OP: There is no Piranha Strike for non-light weapons. It's called Power Attack. You should have thought your build out more.


In a home game, just get the GM to say Piranha Strike works with any finesse weapon (as VoodistMonk says). In another game, get yourself a Belt of Giant Strength +2 before you get your next feat, and learn Power Attack at that level-up (where you'll then have 13 Str). Or dip 2 levels of Slayer or Ranger to take Power Attack with your 11 Str by using their ability to grab a combat style feat without meeting the prerequisites.

Grand Lodge

1 level of Id rager can get you power attack while raging.


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Yeah, it should be clear it doesn't exist cause you're wanting power attack with no requirements.

Shadow Lodge

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Dip Ranger: 2 levels with 2h as your weapon tree (or slayer, same deal) and pick up power attack, ignoring requirements.


Power Attack is the only way to get "like power attack" on a non-light weapon, even if you're finessing it. I just bit the bullet and took a 13 str on my bladed brush swashbuckler (talk to your GM before taking this feat, it's got a lot of ambiguity).


halflings get risky striker. Same damage output as power attack, but takes from your ac instead


Evilserran wrote:
halflings get risky striker. Same damage output as power attack, but takes from your ac instead

Same damage output for a 1H weapon not for a 2H though and only works on things 2 sizes bigger than you.


PossibleCabbage wrote:
Power Attack is the only way to get "like power attack" on a non-light weapon, even if you're finessing it. I just bit the bullet and took a 13 str on my bladed brush swashbuckler (talk to your GM before taking this feat, it's got a lot of ambiguity).

What ambiguity? If you worship Shelyn, and have Weapon Focus, you may change the grip on your glaive to use without the reach property. You can use weapon finesse with the glaive even though it isn't light. You may also treat it as a piercing or slashing one handed weapon for the purposes of feats. It's still a glaive, and it's still a two handed weapon being held by two hands, it is simply treated as a one handed weapon for the purpose of applying feats, such as slashing grace or the like. Literally exactly what it says it does.


Grandlounge wrote:
1 level of Id rager can get you power attack while raging.

If dipping a rage class, go Urban or SavTech, and with an Agile weapon (I'm assuming the OP wanted this for a Dex build) he'll be *way* better off than with either Power Attack or Piranha Strike:

I.e.,

Power or Piranha @ BAB8 = att-3/dmg+6 (with one-hander)
DexRage+Agile @ BAB8 = att+2/dmg+2

Your secondary iterative at this point is as likely to hit as the Power/Piranha's primary. Are you shaken and sickened? You're still +1 over the insufficiently angry fighter that sacked his attack-bonus.

-- Always Be Hitting.

Furious also becomes an attractive weapon option for another +1/+1 over a straight 2nd +1 bonus on the weapon.

VoodistMonk wrote:
PossibleCabbage wrote:
Power Attack is the only way to get "like power attack" on a non-light weapon, even if you're finessing it. I just bit the bullet and took a 13 str on my bladed brush swashbuckler (talk to your GM before taking this feat, it's got a lot of ambiguity).
What ambiguity? If you worship Shelyn, and have Weapon Focus, you may change the grip on your glaive to use without the reach property. You may also treat it as a piercing or slashing one handed weapon for the purposes of feats. It's still a glaive, and it's still a two handed weapon being held by two hands, it is simply treated as a one handed weapon for the purpose of applying feats, such as slashing grace or the like. Literally exactly what it says it does.

The glaive still isn't light (for the purposes of Piranha Strike).

-- But even if it were, you'd still be barbecuing all your feats to make it work by about the level Agile is affordable.


I know it's not light. I also know that even with bladed brush combat the glaive is still a two handed weapon being held by two hands. I came across someone trying to two weapon fight with this feat and dual glaives, so I figured I would clarify.


If you want to look, there has been some extensive discussion on whether or not slashing grace works with bladed brush in the rules forum, from which the best two answers I can give you are "probably not" and "just ask your GM".

But this is the advice forum so everything works here.


To the OP's question, no there isn't a shouldn't be.

You're asking for all the benefits of power attack without any of the drawbacks (strength requirements). I suggest you find a way to raise your strength high enough to pick up power attack.

You can grab an pale blue rhomboid ioun stone to raise your strength by 2 if you don't want to stack it on a belt with dex.

Scarab Sages

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Claxon wrote:
You can grab an pale blue rhomboid ioun stone to raise your strength by 2 if you don't want to stack it on a belt with dex.

This is your best option. At least you’re in reach of it with an 11 STR and didn’t dump down to 7 or something. I started my Unchained Rogue with a 13 STR specifically so I could take Power Attack to use with my Elven Branched Spear. It’s helpful when I need to attack with a different weapon as well, so I at least get a little bonus to damage.


Ferious Thune wrote:
Claxon wrote:
You can grab an pale blue rhomboid ioun stone to raise your strength by 2 if you don't want to stack it on a belt with dex.
This is your best option. At least you’re in reach of it with an 11 STR and didn’t dump down to 7 or something. I started my Unchained Rogue with a 13 STR specifically so I could take Power Attack to use with my Elven Branched Spear. It’s helpful when I need to attack with a different weapon as well, so I at least get a little bonus to damage.

Note that ioun stones are not a worn item and thus cannot grant (after being worn for a day) a permanent bonus to a stat for, among other things, qualifying for feats with attribute requirements.


Slim Jim wrote:
Ferious Thune wrote:
Claxon wrote:
You can grab an pale blue rhomboid ioun stone to raise your strength by 2 if you don't want to stack it on a belt with dex.
This is your best option. At least you’re in reach of it with an 11 STR and didn’t dump down to 7 or something. I started my Unchained Rogue with a 13 STR specifically so I could take Power Attack to use with my Elven Branched Spear. It’s helpful when I need to attack with a different weapon as well, so I at least get a little bonus to damage.
Note that ioun stones are not a worn item and thus cannot grant (after being worn for a day) a permanent bonus to a stat for, among other things, qualifying for feats with attribute requirements.

From the temp vs perm ability score FAQ: "Temporary ability bonuses should apply to anything relating to that ability score, just as permanent ability score bonuses do." I didn't know of anything that disqualifies temp scores from prerequisites.

Scarab Sages

Hmm... I'd never considered that. I also haven't run into a GM who questioned it. The FAQ certainly helps. The only place I've seen a distinction made (I think) is in bonus spells per day and uses of abilities.

If you're worried about running into table variation, then go ahead and make your belt +2 DEX/+2 STR to be sure.


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Claxon said wrote:
You're asking for all the benefits of power attack without any of the drawbacks (strength requirements)

I thought there as a feat as power attack/pirannha strike but choosing a single weapon type. Seems I'm wrong.

JoeElf said wrote:
...get yourself a Belt of Giant Strength +2 before you get your next feat...

My belt slot is occupied by a Monkey Belt and i don't want to replace it (I love my fluffy tail :D).

Claxon said wrote:
You can grab an pale blue rhomboid ioun stone to raise your strength by 2 if you don't want to stack it on a belt with dex.

Maybe the ioun stone is the answer, but I hate the around-head movement they have, so I maybe put it in a Wayfinder.

Thanks for the advice :D


Brushhy wrote:
Claxon said wrote:
You're asking for all the benefits of power attack without any of the drawbacks (strength requirements)

I thought there as a feat as power attack/pirannha strike but choosing a single weapon type. Seems I'm wrong.

JoeElf said wrote:
...get yourself a Belt of Giant Strength +2 before you get your next feat...

My belt slot is occupied by a Monkey Belt and i don't want to replace it (I love my fluffy tail :D).

Claxon said wrote:
You can grab an pale blue rhomboid ioun stone to raise your strength by 2 if you don't want to stack it on a belt with dex.

Maybe the ioun stone is the answer, but I hate the around-head movement they have, so I maybe put it in a Wayfinder.

Thanks for the advice :D

You can upgrade your belt to the Greater one for 8600gp.

Scarab Sages

Yeah, if you’re sticking with a Monkey Belt, then just upgrade that. You wouldn’t be getting a +4 or +6 DEX belt anyway, and it gives you +2 STR that’s called out as a permanent bonus.

Keep in mind you can implant ioun stones, if having it floating around your head bothers you. Putting it in a wayfinder works, too. You’d get a +1 fort save from the resonant Power.

But it sounds like upgrading the belt is the way to go.


wow... I never realize there was a greater version of the Monkey Belt. I should read the magic items until the end ^^'

The Greater Monkey Belt fits at perfection on my character. It grant the required Streght plus a +5 bonus to climb checks. I hope my GM allow me save the feat slot until the next city stop.

Thanks again! :D

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