As the title says. Odd question, maybe, so let me explain a bit: I'm looking for a roguish sneak-and-stab type character, and it occurred to me that that there's some really great revelations for that sort of build in the Shadow mystery, like Cloak of Darkness or Pierce the Shadows. But I'm really not looking to be a 9th-level caster for this build (I almost never play full casters, really). The closest approximation I know is to go Inquisitor and stack the Sanctified Slayer and Ravener Hunter archetypes, but that comes with some pretty specific fluff, and would require GM fiat to access the Shadow Mystery (I'm not really clear on the rhyme or reason for the ones the archetype can take. Shadow seems pretty thematic, but whatever). Is there anything closer than that? (And before anyone says it yes, I know there's probably other magical ways that would be as effective as the Shadow Mystery for the specific sort of build, but that was just an example, I'm also interested in the concept of non-Oracles with Mysteries more broadly)
VMC Oracle would get you a curse and a mystery, there's no official support for the Shadow mystery there (because "Blood of the Shadows" was printed after Unchained, for one thing) but all a GM would need to do is look at the list of revelations and give you a curated sublist of "these are fine" and you'd be good to go.
VMC Oracle (Shadow) would be just as much GM fiat as Ravener Hunter Inquisitor (Shadow), so since you have to get GM fiat anyway, might as well angle for whichever one works better for you. My inclination would be towards the latter, since VMC Oracle eats 5 feats and wastes 1 of them on monkeying with the level of your Oracle's Curse and semi-wastes 1 of them on an Orison. It does eventually get you 3 Revelations, but 2 of them come VERY late in your career (if you even get there at all), and your effective Oracle is **6** lower than your character level(*); whereas Ravener Hunter gets you only 2, but one is at 1st level and the other is at 8th level, which is still well within PFS and Council of Thieves range, and they are both at full progression.
(*)Admittedly, that doesn't matter for a noticeable subset of Revelations.
Inquisitors could also get actual sneak attack damage or wisdom to stealth with the right archetypes
In fact, the archetype that gives sneak attack (sanctified slayer) even stacks with ravener hunter.
which archetype gives wisdom to stealth?
Is 3PP stuff allowed?
Heretic gives WIS to Stealth for Inquisitors.
In fact, the archetype that gives sneak attack (sanctified slayer) even stacks with ravener hunter.
which archetype gives wisdom to stealth?
Fixed your Sanctified Slayer Inquisitor link and added link to Ravener Hunter.
Looks to me like not only do Sanctified Slayer and Ravener Hunter stack with each other, but they also stack with Heretic, all 3 together.
Fixed your Sanctified Slayer Inquisitor link and added link to Ravener Hunter.
Looks to me like not only do Sanctified Slayer and Ravener Hunter stack with each other, but they also stack with Heretic, all 3 together.
Thanks for fixing that.
Can two archetypes stack if one changes a class feature and one removes the class feature?
No.
Archetypes only stack if they don't modify the same thing.
^Oops, missed that Heretic is adding to judgments (which Sanctified Slayer takes away) -- I misread it as a skill boost like Stern Gaze (judgment-independent). So you can stack Heretic and Ravener Hunter, and you can stack Sanctified Slayer and Ravener Hunter, but you can't stack Heretic and Sanctified Slayer.