paizo.com Recent Posts in Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIpaizo.com Recent Posts in Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAI2018-02-16T19:50:58Z2018-02-16T19:50:58ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIGrom Kranockhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#312018-02-27T04:13:49Z2018-02-26T11:22:12Z<p>Why don't you just ask your GM?</p>
<p>I mean it may not give you the correct RAW answer but it will give you the one you have to play by, or at least start a discussion that should lead there.</p>Why don't you just ask your GM?
I mean it may not give you the correct RAW answer but it will give you the one you have to play by, or at least start a discussion that should lead there.Grom Kranock2018-02-26T11:22:12ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIKageshirahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#302018-02-26T08:51:01Z2018-02-26T08:51:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Jurassic Pratt wrote:</div><blockquote> Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk. </blockquote>But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely. </blockquote><p>My mistake then, I understood as he was playing an Unchained Monk and wanted to "dip" into master of many styles. Yeah, if he goes Brawler and then dips into CRB Monk with master of many styles archetype that can be done.PossibleCabbage wrote:Jurassic Pratt wrote: Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk.
But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely. My mistake then, I understood as he was playing an Unchained Monk and wanted to "dip" into master of many styles. Yeah, if he goes Brawler and then dips into CRB Monk with master of many styles archetype that can be done.Kageshira2018-02-26T08:51:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIBlingerBunnyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#292018-02-24T06:39:39Z2018-02-24T06:39:39Z<p>This is mainly why I want to find another group to play with. I know she's a greenhorn GM, and she wants everyone to have fun equally... I just really need to sit down with the group and let em' know how I feel about this whole situation.</p>
<p>I've got a bad case of poor self-esteem. As an attempted trap detector, and the only one with perception and disable device maxed, I still failed because of poor rolls and well placed traps. I'm even running around takin' 20s to find these things, and I still manage to muck it up, so my friend jokes with me about it. It hurts because I'm the only one in the party that can do the job. It makes me want to stop playing the character and do my own thing, which would invariably clash with the rest of the party.</p>This is mainly why I want to find another group to play with. I know she's a greenhorn GM, and she wants everyone to have fun equally... I just really need to sit down with the group and let em' know how I feel about this whole situation.
I've got a bad case of poor self-esteem. As an attempted trap detector, and the only one with perception and disable device maxed, I still failed because of poor rolls and well placed traps. I'm even running around takin' 20s to find these things, and I...BlingerBunny2018-02-24T06:39:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIDerklordhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#282018-02-23T13:07:13Z2018-02-23T13:07:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Belafon wrote:</div><blockquote>You won't outpace the warpriest in a toe-to-toe slugfest. The warpriest makes up for the 3/4 BAB with great self-buffing (Fervor up a <i>divine favor</i> every fight) and access to feats that are normally fighter-only like Weapon Specialization. Most likely he'll do a bit more damage with a full attack but you will be more mobile.</blockquote><p>Actually, a well-build unMonk will do noteably more damage. The Warpriest has other uses, of course - I know who I'd rather have if I need a Lesser Restoration!
<div class="messageboard-quotee">BlingerBunny wrote:</div><blockquote> I'm not skeptical, I know it's magical and not classified as armor. I just don't want my GM to fiat my character and effectively ruin my enjoyment for the game.</blockquote><p><i>I'm legally not allowed to suggest punching out your GM for being an utter jerk, so I'm not able to respond to this post.</i>
<p>Serious answer: BoA's description includes the following: "They surround the wearer with an invisible but tangible field of force, granting him an armor bonus of +1 to +8, just <b>as though</b> he were wearing armor." <span class=tiny>Emphasis mine.</span> Per the definition of the words, "as though" makes a comparison, and thus can not possibly mean "it is that".
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Also, Bracers or Armor are not in the "armor" section (pgs. 149-153) of the CRB, but on pg. 504, in the "wondrous item" section. Per definition on pg. 496, "This is a catch all category for anything that <b>doesn’t fall into the other groups</b>." <span class=tiny>Again, emphasis mine.</span> Magic armor is on of the mentioned "other groups", so a wondrous item can't, per that definition, be magic armor.</p>Belafon wrote:You won't outpace the warpriest in a toe-to-toe slugfest. The warpriest makes up for the 3/4 BAB with great self-buffing (Fervor up a divine favor every fight) and access to feats that are normally fighter-only like Weapon Specialization. Most likely he'll do a bit more damage with a full attack but you will be more mobile.
Actually, a well-build unMonk will do noteably more damage. The Warpriest has other uses, of course - I know who I'd rather have if I need a Lesser...Derklord2018-02-23T13:07:13ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAICheburnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#272018-02-23T03:38:36Z2018-02-23T03:22:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BlingerBunny wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I'm not skeptical, I know it's magical and not classified as armor. I just don't want my GM to fiat my character and effectively ruin my enjoyment for the game.</p>
<p>It's hard enough having scent and not being able to use it as frequently as I'd like. I'm pretty sure oozes have odor, don't they? </blockquote><p>I mean, maybe the reason that oozes don't evaporate is just that their vapor pressure is insanely low and there's nothing to smell ... <.< ... >.> ... Yeah, I can't really justify that one. You should be able to smell an ooze with scent.
<p>Ultimately, if your GM is aggressively and stubbornly house ruling, there's only so much you can do about it. Hopefully your GM is reasonable on the majority of rulings (including Bracers of Armor), though it sounds like that might not be the case. Best of luck, because this one is pretty cut and dry.</p>BlingerBunny wrote:I'm not skeptical, I know it's magical and not classified as armor. I just don't want my GM to fiat my character and effectively ruin my enjoyment for the game.
It's hard enough having scent and not being able to use it as frequently as I'd like. I'm pretty sure oozes have odor, don't they?
I mean, maybe the reason that oozes don't evaporate is just that their vapor pressure is insanely low and there's nothing to smell ... .> ... Yeah, I can't really justify that one. You...Cheburn2018-02-23T03:22:10ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIBlingerBunnyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#262018-02-23T02:47:47Z2018-02-23T02:47:47Z<p>I'm not skeptical, I know it's magical and not classified as armor. I just don't want my GM to fiat my character and effectively ruin my enjoyment for the game.</p>
<p>It's hard enough having scent and not being able to use it as frequently as I'd like. I'm pretty sure oozes have odor, don't they?</p>I'm not skeptical, I know it's magical and not classified as armor. I just don't want my GM to fiat my character and effectively ruin my enjoyment for the game.
It's hard enough having scent and not being able to use it as frequently as I'd like. I'm pretty sure oozes have odor, don't they?BlingerBunny2018-02-23T02:47:47ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAICheburnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#252018-02-22T17:33:51Z2018-02-22T17:33:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BlingerBunny wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Jurassic Pratt wrote:</div><blockquote> Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk. </blockquote>But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely. </blockquote>The whole point was to figure out what constitutes as armor, RAW and RAI. Monks, vanilla & unchained, lose their AC bonus when wearing any armor. Bracers are, by definition armor that goes over your forearms, so that's why I was inquiring.</blockquote><p>To expand on burkoJames's point: Bracers are, by RAW and RAI, not armor. Armor in Pathfinder
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<ul><li>Occupies the Armor slot<li>Has an associated category (Light, Medium, Heavy) with a required proficiency<li>Grants an armor bonus to AC<li>It has a maximum Dex bonus associated (even for armor like a Haramaki, this exists, it's just "—")<li>Has an associated Armor Check Penalty<li>Gives an Arcane Spell Failure Chance<li>May affect the character's Speed.</ul>Bracers of Armor +<i>X</i> take up the Wrist slot and are a Wondrous Item that grant an armor bonus to AC. They are not a piece of armor as defined by the game, and are not intended to be such. This is why they're a favorite of classes that typically eschew armor, such as Wizards and Monks. Check the difference between <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateEquipment/armsAndArmor/armor.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Armor</a> and <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateEquipment/wondrousItems/wrists.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bracers of Armor</a> if you are feeling skeptical.</p>
<p>You could make an argument that Bracers would colloquially be considered "armor." I think that this argument is factually incorrect, unless you would also consider leather gloves to be "armor," but you could make it. In the Pathfinder system, however, it's not really up to debate. "Armor" is defined in-game, and Bracers of Armor +<i>X</i> do not qualify.</p>BlingerBunny wrote:PossibleCabbage wrote: Jurassic Pratt wrote: Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk.
But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely. The whole point was to figure out what constitutes as armor, RAW and RAI. Monks, vanilla & unchained, lose their AC bonus when wearing any armor. Bracers are, by definition armor that goes over your forearms, so that's why I was inquiring.To expand on burkoJames's...Cheburn2018-02-22T17:33:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIburkoJameshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#242018-02-22T17:16:56Z2018-02-22T17:16:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BlingerBunny wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Jurassic Pratt wrote:</div><blockquote> Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk. </blockquote>But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely. </blockquote><p>The whole point was to figure out what constitutes as armor, RAW and RAI. Monks, vanilla & unchained, lose their AC bonus when wearing any armor. Bracers are, by definition armor that goes over your forearms, so that's why I was inquiring.
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</blockquote><p>Except that they are not armor. RAW or RAI. They are arm guards (a category of item which can include Archery accessories), leather or metal, that house an enchantment for a magical armor bonus, but do not occupy the armor slot. If you, theoretically, put mage armor permanently on a shirt, it does not become armor. Or are you arguing that mage armor costs a monk their monk abilities? In the ABP rules from unchained, clothing getting the armor enhancement is treated as having AC 0 so you can get an armor bonus without wearing armor. If you accept this AC bonus, do you lose all of your monk abilities? RAW, 'armor' is anything that occupies the armor slot. Spells or Magical items providing an armor bonus are not armor.
<p>It is generally expected that you gain some level of magical armor enhancement, even if you do not wear armor. Either by spells or magical items. This can be seen in the ABP options, which recognise Armor bonuses as part of the 'Big 6' options the rules expect you to be investing in.</p>BlingerBunny wrote:PossibleCabbage wrote: Jurassic Pratt wrote: Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk.
But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely. The whole point was to figure out what constitutes as armor, RAW and RAI. Monks, vanilla & unchained, lose their AC bonus when wearing any armor. Bracers are, by definition armor that goes over your forearms, so that's why I was inquiring.
Except that they are not...burkoJames2018-02-22T17:16:56ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIthorin001https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#232018-02-22T16:52:47Z2018-02-22T16:52:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mudfoot wrote:</div><blockquote> I'd go with a wand of Mage Armour instead of a pearl: 750gp instead of 1000gp, and doesn't require the caster to know or prepare MA. And can be used by a sorcerer. Or UMD'd. And shared between PCs and ACs without eating spell slots. It's 50 hours of sweet protection which should be good for several levels before it goes obsolete. </blockquote><p>Always have a potion or two of it incase no one can use the wand.Mudfoot wrote:I'd go with a wand of Mage Armour instead of a pearl: 750gp instead of 1000gp, and doesn't require the caster to know or prepare MA. And can be used by a sorcerer. Or UMD'd. And shared between PCs and ACs without eating spell slots. It's 50 hours of sweet protection which should be good for several levels before it goes obsolete.
Always have a potion or two of it incase no one can use the wand.thorin0012018-02-22T16:52:47ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIBlingerBunnyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#222018-02-22T15:05:19Z2018-02-22T15:05:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Jurassic Pratt wrote:</div><blockquote> Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk. </blockquote>But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely. </blockquote><p>The whole point was to figure out what constitutes as armor, RAW and RAI. Monks, vanilla & unchained, lose their AC bonus when wearing any armor. Bracers are, by definition armor that goes over your forearms, so that's why I was inquiring.
<p>Side addendum; I'm still heavily debating. I've got several character ideas, and I'm struggling to decide which one I should use if my current character dies.</p>
<p>It'd either be a brawler or monk that ran away from home to avoid an arranged marriage, and her adventures draw her to the Worldwound to test her mettle against the demons that spew from it. The choices here are a Pummeling Style Brawler, or a Jabbing Style UMonk, both of which are rather fun build ideas. The first based on STR, and the second on DEX.</p>
<p>Or a Tiefling Arcanist that was subject to magical mishap, being caught in the backfire of a failed polymorphing spell. She is now an Anthropomorphic Sheep, wandering after artifacts in hopes that she can reverse the effects. The accident was in the mana wastes between Nex and Geb. Her teacher was attempting to restore the magical equilibrium to a portion of the wastes.</p>PossibleCabbage wrote:Jurassic Pratt wrote: Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk.
But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely. The whole point was to figure out what constitutes as armor, RAW and RAI. Monks, vanilla & unchained, lose their AC bonus when wearing any armor. Bracers are, by definition armor that goes over your forearms, so that's why I was inquiring. Side addendum; I'm still heavily debating. I've...BlingerBunny2018-02-22T15:05:19ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIHeather 540https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#212018-02-22T12:45:39Z2018-02-22T12:45:39Z<p>Might I suggest the item Monk's Robe? It's a Wondrous Item that goes in the Body slot. It increases your monk's AC Bonus and Unarmed Strike damage by 5 levels.</p>Might I suggest the item Monk's Robe? It's a Wondrous Item that goes in the Body slot. It increases your monk's AC Bonus and Unarmed Strike damage by 5 levels.Heather 5402018-02-22T12:45:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIPossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#202018-02-22T08:21:15Z2018-02-22T08:21:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jurassic Pratt wrote:</div><blockquote> Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk. </blockquote><p>But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely.Jurassic Pratt wrote:Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk.
But you can pair MoMS with levels in the Brawler class, which I believe is the plan if you read closely.PossibleCabbage2018-02-22T08:21:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIJurassic Pratthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#192018-02-22T08:18:54Z2018-02-22T08:18:54Z<p>Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk.</p>Master of Many Styles can't be chosen with Unchained Monk.Jurassic Pratt2018-02-22T08:18:54ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIKageshirahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#182018-02-22T08:04:26Z2018-02-22T08:04:26Z<p>dipping in the archetype Master of many styles with Unchained monk?</p>dipping in the archetype Master of many styles with Unchained monk?Kageshira2018-02-22T08:04:26ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIBlingerBunnyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#172018-02-21T21:39:31Z2018-02-21T21:33:53Z<p>Well, I'm actually changing my build-plan a bit, my goal is to dole out a ton of damage as quickly as possible. So I'm dipping two levels in master of many styles with a brawler build to mix Pummeling and Jabbing styles. MAXIMUM EFFORT!!! If I'm right about it, I'd be doling out an extra d6 of damage with each consecutive hit after the first, and it'd all stack together via pummeling style, before DR is applied.</p>
<p>You guys helped me greatly with this. I'll work with my friend to see if we can pull of a powerful flanking pain-train.</p>Well, I'm actually changing my build-plan a bit, my goal is to dole out a ton of damage as quickly as possible. So I'm dipping two levels in master of many styles with a brawler build to mix Pummeling and Jabbing styles. MAXIMUM EFFORT!!! If I'm right about it, I'd be doling out an extra d6 of damage with each consecutive hit after the first, and it'd all stack together via pummeling style, before DR is applied.
You guys helped me greatly with this. I'll work with my friend to see if we can...BlingerBunny2018-02-21T21:33:53ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIClaxonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#162018-02-21T19:18:41Z2018-02-21T13:39:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">David knott 242 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The Unchained Monk should definitely outdo the Warpriest in terms of offensive melee capability, as an example of a capability where the former is clearly superior.
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</blockquote><p>Your statement it a bit confusing to me...
<p>However it sounds like you're saying that you think the Unchained Monk is able to deal more damage and is more capable at offense then the Warpriest. I have to say that it's terribly untrue, due to the insane amount of buffing that Warpriest can do that will keep them on top. Especially when combined with things like Molthuni Arsenal Chaplain Warpriest archetype. </p>
<p>Unchaiend Monks will however be able to outpace the Warpriest in the AC department, if they choose to focus on it. However this will also hurt their melee capability as well.</p>David knott 242 wrote:The Unchained Monk should definitely outdo the Warpriest in terms of offensive melee capability, as an example of a capability where the former is clearly superior.
Your statement it a bit confusing to me... However it sounds like you're saying that you think the Unchained Monk is able to deal more damage and is more capable at offense then the Warpriest. I have to say that it's terribly untrue, due to the insane amount of buffing that Warpriest can do that will keep...Claxon2018-02-21T13:39:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAILeitnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#152018-02-21T12:40:37Z2018-02-21T12:40:37Z<p>A monk can be pretty tanky with a bit of effort. If you went all out with some scaled fist, crane style, cautious defender, cautious warrior, osyluth's guile type build you'd likely be able to crush him.</p>A monk can be pretty tanky with a bit of effort. If you went all out with some scaled fist, crane style, cautious defender, cautious warrior, osyluth's guile type build you'd likely be able to crush him.Leitner2018-02-21T12:40:37ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIVolkard Abendroth (alias of Michael Sumrall)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#142018-02-21T00:14:57Z2018-02-21T00:11:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mudfoot wrote:</div><blockquote> I'd go with a wand of Mage Armour instead of a pearl: 750gp instead of 1000gp, and doesn't require the caster to know or prepare MA. And can be used by a sorcerer. Or UMD'd. And shared between PCs and ACs without eating spell slots. It's 50 hours of sweet protection which should be good for several levels before it goes obsolete. </blockquote><p>Personal preference.
<p>Pearls never run out, can be used for any spell, and use the party mages caster level.</p>
<p>If your party has a spontaneous caster instead of a prepared, runestones cost a bit more but do the same thing. </p>
<p>A neat trick for the pearl at higher level is have the caster put a personal spell (e.g. <i>Shield</i> or <i>Longarms</i>) into a cracked vibrant purple crystal.</p>Mudfoot wrote:I'd go with a wand of Mage Armour instead of a pearl: 750gp instead of 1000gp, and doesn't require the caster to know or prepare MA. And can be used by a sorcerer. Or UMD'd. And shared between PCs and ACs without eating spell slots. It's 50 hours of sweet protection which should be good for several levels before it goes obsolete.
Personal preference. Pearls never run out, can be used for any spell, and use the party mages caster level.
If your party has a spontaneous caster...Volkard Abendroth (alias of Michael Sumrall)2018-02-21T00:11:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIMudfoothttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#132018-02-20T23:39:26Z2018-02-20T23:39:26Z<p>I'd go with a wand of Mage Armour instead of a pearl: 750gp instead of 1000gp, and doesn't require the caster to know or prepare MA. And can be used by a sorcerer. Or UMD'd. And shared between PCs and ACs without eating spell slots. It's 50 hours of sweet protection which should be good for several levels before it goes obsolete.</p>I'd go with a wand of Mage Armour instead of a pearl: 750gp instead of 1000gp, and doesn't require the caster to know or prepare MA. And can be used by a sorcerer. Or UMD'd. And shared between PCs and ACs without eating spell slots. It's 50 hours of sweet protection which should be good for several levels before it goes obsolete.Mudfoot2018-02-20T23:39:26ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIVolkard Abendroth (alias of Michael Sumrall)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#122018-02-20T21:58:33Z2018-02-20T21:58:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BlingerBunny wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Well I appreciate the answers I've received. So as far as I can gather, the warpriest will outpace me because of access to divine magic. So there really isn't anything I can do with my unchained monk, within the rules, to outpace a warpriest in AC, right?</p>
<p>Even if I were to have the Qinggong Power (Barkskin)? </blockquote><p>If you go dexterity based you'll be able to keep pace with the warpriest on AC.
<p>At lower levels buy a couple of pearls of power and ask the groups arcane caster to hit you with mage armor.</p>BlingerBunny wrote:Well I appreciate the answers I've received. So as far as I can gather, the warpriest will outpace me because of access to divine magic. So there really isn't anything I can do with my unchained monk, within the rules, to outpace a warpriest in AC, right?
Even if I were to have the Qinggong Power (Barkskin)?
If you go dexterity based you'll be able to keep pace with the warpriest on AC. At lower levels buy a couple of pearls of power and ask the groups arcane caster to...Volkard Abendroth (alias of Michael Sumrall)2018-02-20T21:58:33ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIWei Ji the Learnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#112018-02-16T21:49:46Z2018-02-16T21:49:46Z<p>When one melee has less AC than another melee, they become the target of all possible attacks because they are 'easier to hit'.</p>
<p>Having close or pretty close 'hard to hit' ACs will change that dynamic.</p>When one melee has less AC than another melee, they become the target of all possible attacks because they are 'easier to hit'.
Having close or pretty close 'hard to hit' ACs will change that dynamic.Wei Ji the Learner2018-02-16T21:49:46ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIDavid knott 242https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#102018-02-16T21:49:27Z2018-02-16T21:49:27Z<p>The Unchained Monk should definitely outdo the Warpriest in terms of offensive melee capability, as an example of a capability where the former is clearly superior.</p>The Unchained Monk should definitely outdo the Warpriest in terms of offensive melee capability, as an example of a capability where the former is clearly superior.David knott 2422018-02-16T21:49:27ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIChess Pwnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#92018-02-16T21:49:09Z2018-02-16T21:49:09Z<p>You should be able to win in AC pretty easily. WP is looking at full plate +9 dex +1 and then normal upgrades as they probably won't "waste" fervor to quicken a shield of faith for a little AC.
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A monk just needs to get this 10 AC and then they win. Wis 3, dex 2, mage armor 4, monk AC increase 1 and barkskin being faster than an amulet already is putting you over the AC the WP is likely to have.
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It's just in overall combat they will likely perform better.</p>You should be able to win in AC pretty easily. WP is looking at full plate +9 dex +1 and then normal upgrades as they probably won't "waste" fervor to quicken a shield of faith for a little AC.
A monk just needs to get this 10 AC and then they win. Wis 3, dex 2, mage armor 4, monk AC increase 1 and barkskin being faster than an amulet already is putting you over the AC the WP is likely to have.
It's just in overall combat they will likely perform better.Chess Pwn2018-02-16T21:49:09ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIJurassic Pratthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#82018-02-22T14:01:47Z2018-02-16T21:43:41Z<p>It's really odd that there's such a focus on whether you'll out scale a Warpriest's AC. Different party members have different AC. Who cares who has a higher one?</p>It's really odd that there's such a focus on whether you'll out scale a Warpriest's AC. Different party members have different AC. Who cares who has a higher one?Jurassic Pratt2018-02-16T21:43:41ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Monk AC Bonus; What constitutes as Armor RAW and RAIBlingerBunnyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uvyk?Monk-AC-Bonus-What-constitutes-as-Armor-RAW#72018-02-16T21:38:43Z2018-02-16T21:38:43Z<p>Well I appreciate the answers I've received. So as far as I can gather, the warpriest will outpace me because of access to divine magic. So there really isn't anything I can do with my unchained monk, within the rules, to outpace a warpriest in AC, right?</p>
<p>Even if I were to have the Qinggong Power (Barkskin)?</p>Well I appreciate the answers I've received. So as far as I can gather, the warpriest will outpace me because of access to divine magic. So there really isn't anything I can do with my unchained monk, within the rules, to outpace a warpriest in AC, right?
Even if I were to have the Qinggong Power (Barkskin)?BlingerBunny2018-02-16T21:38:43Z