Deity question for Cleric


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Can a follower of Sivanah have the Protean subdomain (Chaos) along with Madness domain?

Silver Crusade

No. Sivanah doesn't grant the Chaos domain, so you can't pick a Chaos subdomain.


Val'bryn2 wrote:
No. Sivanah doesn't grant the Chaos domain, so you can't pick a Chaos subdomain.

I just came across this

http://archivesofnethys.com/DeityDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Sivanah

Silver Crusade

However, according to the section on subdomains in the Advanced Players Guide, it states that a cleric must have access to both the domain and subdomain through their deity. Therefore, there is clearly a mistake that was made on Sivanah. Firstly because of the above mentioned, second because the deity's alignment doesn't match the subdomain, thirdly, because according to the lore of the setting, proteans HATE Sivanah, so serving the cause of them kind of goes against the deity.


Val'bryn2 wrote:
However, according to the section on subdomains in the Advanced Players Guide, it states that a cleric must have access to both the domain and subdomain through their deity. Therefore, there is clearly a mistake that was made on Sivanah. Firstly because of the above mentioned, second because the deity's alignment doesn't match the subdomain, thirdly, because according to the lore of the setting, proteans HATE Sivanah, so serving the cause of them kind of goes against the deity.

The rule about a cleric having to have access to both the regular domain and subdomain was retconned some time ago, as deities like Kostchtchie grant the Ice subdomain without having access to the Water domain; it simply means that you get that domain, but taking the subdomain is mandatory.

Regardless, checking Inner Sea Gods reveals that Sivanah has no access to the Chaos domain, and therefore OP does not get the Protean subdomain.

Silver Crusade

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Inner Sea Faiths, which has Sivannah in it, does indeed offer her the Protean Subdomain, similar to how Kotschie has the Ice Domain.

Silver Crusade

Where was that rule changed? Because it was never altered in the Advanced Player's Guide, I checked the prd.

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