Sorcerer (Draconic) + Dragon Disciple - check my math?


Rules Questions


Based on the best understanding that can be gleaned from these forums, these are the collective powers and bonuses that a Sorcerer with the Draconic Bloodline and the Dragon Disciple prestige class would get. Is there anyone out there with experience in the class that can tell me if this looks correct? Thanks in advance, this can be really tricky.

1st S1 - Claws (1d4, 3+CHA rds/day)
2nd S2
3rd S3 - +1 to Natural Armor, Energy Resistance 5, Bloodline spell (1st)
4th S4
5th S5 - Claws (Magic), Bloodline spell (2nd)
6th S6
7th DD1 - +1 to Natural Armor, Claws (1d6), Bloodline spell (3rd)
8th DD2 - Bloodline feat, +2 to STR, Dragon Bite
9th DD3 - Breath Weapon 2/day, +1 to Natural Armor, Energy Resistance 10, Bloodline spell (4th)
10th DD4 - +1 to Natural Armor, +2 STR
11th DD5 - Bloodline feat, Blindsense 30', Claws (+1d6 energy dmg)
12th DD6 - +2 to CON, Bloodline spell (5th)
13th DD7 - +1 to Natural Armor
14th DD8 - Bloodline feat, +2 to INT, Bloodline spell (6th)
15th S7 - Bloodline feat, Dragon Form 1/day, +2 to Natural Armor, Wings
16th S8 - Bloodline spell (7th)
17th S9 - Breath Weapon 3/day
18th S10 - Bloodline spell (8th)
19th S11
20th S12 - Breath Weapon 4/day, Power of Wyrms, bloodline spell (9th)

Silver Crusade

You intend to wait until 7th level ttake Dragon Disciple?

You can take it at 6th.

Shadow Lodge

That puts off 3rd level spells though, so maybe that is why?


There are feats to help with that now though.


Can offset the CL, but not spell progression.


Pathfinder Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

There is also BAB to consider. A Sorcerer 5/Dragon Disciple 1 has a BAB of only +2.


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Rhaleroad wrote:
Can offset the CL, but not spell progression.

Nope.

Prestigious Spell Caster:

"Benefit: The first time you gain a level in your favored prestige class and the spells per day class feature does not grant an increase in effective level for the purpose of casting spells, you gain new spells per day as if the prestige class did grant +1 level of spellcasting for that level. This effect is retroactive if you gain this feat at a level beyond the point where your favored prestige class would normally have not advanced your spellcasting.

The Prestigious Spellcaster feat does not have any effect if your favored prestige class does not have the spells per day class feature, or if it does have the spells per day class feature but already grants a level increase for every level of the prestige class (as do the arcane trickster and loremaster prestige classes)."


To the OP, I personally believe 2-3 levels of Barbarian or Paladin are superior to 5 lvls of Sorcerer before going into Dragon Disciple.

Running a DD as a straight caster takes away all the melee abilities the prestige class gets you. It also makes your BAB suffer. You end up being kind of a mish-mash character with not a great BAB, lots of Str/Con buffs, close range attacks like a breath weapon, etc. and not quite full spell casting.

I'd rather lose a couple of levels of spell casting to gain things like Rage, Smite, Rage Powers, Divine Grace, etc.

Then, you can focus your casting on spells that don't worry about spell level or caster level, such has buffs like Enlarge Person, Haste, Heroism, etc., area control spells like the Wall line or Pit line, or utility spells.

You'll end up with a BAB pretty much equivalent to a 3/4 BAB class, plus having a variety of interesting class abilities and spell casting that ends up being slightly superior to a 6th lvl caster (because you'll still have 7th lvl spells by lvl 20). [If you only take two levels of another class, you'll get 8th lvl spells at lvl 20.]


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If you really want to be vicious in melee, you could always try five levels of Bloodrager followed by four levels of Dragon Disciple before going back to Bloodrager for the rest of your career.

Dark Archive

Saldiven wrote:
Rhaleroad wrote:
Can offset the CL, but not spell progression.

Nope.

Prestigious Spell Caster:

"Benefit: The first time you gain a level in your favored prestige class and the spells per day class feature does not grant an increase in effective level for the purpose of casting spells, you gain new spells per day as if the prestige class did grant +1 level of spellcasting for that level. This effect is retroactive if you gain this feat at a level beyond the point where your favored prestige class would normally have not advanced your spellcasting.

The Prestigious Spellcaster feat does not have any effect if your favored prestige class does not have the spells per day class feature, or if it does have the spells per day class feature but already grants a level increase for every level of the prestige class (as do the arcane trickster and loremaster prestige classes)."

I just got so excited and then so disappointed that this wasn't pfs legal. Curse you additional resources


I REALLY appreciate all of the responses... but can anyone answer my original question? I'm trying to make certain that I've managed to navigate the Draconic Bloodline / Dragon Disciple levels properly when it comes to feats, powers, bloodline spells, etc.


Anyone?

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