I cannot imagine such an individual not having contracts with various agencies in the background for pay to endorse clothing.
That idea is so prevalent that it actually reaches out of the game and into our reality
Shameless Sponsorship (Social Boon)
There’s almost no room left on your armor to show off any more
sponsorship logos.
Prerequisites: Acquisitives Tier 3, Sponsorship
Cost: 3 Fame
Beneft: By slotting this boon, you gain two additional
Promotional boon slots. This allows you to slot up to three
Promotional boons as long as you meet all the prerequisites for
those boons, such as having the appropriate product or having
earned the necessary volunteer recognition
to be clear, thats your PLAYER wearing all that stuff to give your character a bonus.... :)
Now that gives me the idea of having electronic tattoos covering the entire body like body paint. But some treat body paint as pseudo-clothing, so I guess it depends on where you draw the line on what clothing is.
Our tattoo technology hasn't yet gotten that far, but if you search on YouTube for "painted on clothes" or "painted on pants", you will see some examples of a precursor.
Our tattoo technology hasn't yet gotten that far, but if you search on YouTube for "painted on clothes" or "painted on pants", you will see some examples of a precursor.
mooding tattoo just think of a thousand years more advanced...
Clothes work as enviromental suits to help you survive in toxic (for your specie) enviroments, as well as high or low temperatures. Also help to survive accidents in space. In far future, we probaly won't have taboos about nudity, and maybe things like communal showers for all genders are accepted by most. However, suits are just too useful from an utilutarian POV.
My counter argument is even on a space station/artificial environment you have to worry about the potential blow out or atmosphere lost/ accidental space exposure.
For a plot device I could see someone utilizing the knowledge that their target is a nudist in their quarters to engineer such a disaster.
Otherwise I would suggest a fusion on armor to call in the case of an emergency.
I'd honestly be shocked if everyone on station wore full space armor at all times. How often do such things happen?
I mean, if you're on some aging rattletrap station or ship that's always breaking down, sure. If you're in luxury quarters on Absalom station? (Or the poor in the slums, for that matter.)Do you bathe in your armor? Do you sleep in it? Do you have sex in it? Do babies live in armor?
I really doubt there's any safety difference between a nudist in their quarters and the average person in theirs.
Points worth considering. I would image that with everyone having light armor proficiency and the stationware being so cheap that it would not be odd for that to be a regular clothing option for most people in normal circumstances.
I do agree that it's unlikely that private quarters where personal activities happen would likely have additional protections in place to prevent a lack of emergency gear being on being immediately fatal.
In fact I would rely on those extra safety protocols being disabled as a data point for potentially tracking the murderer in my previous scenario.
I do think that saying that because there are situations that someone would be exposed to additional risks means that there is no reason to take precautions the rest of the time.
Now does this mean there are not nudist? Of course not. We have environmental dangers on Earth and people still go nude. I simply offer that there are still such considerations with station life.
An easy work around include the star shaman mystic though, so it's not like these are impossible considerations especially with magic to replace technology options that clothes might normally cover.
But some treat body paint as pseudo-clothing, so I guess it depends on where you draw the line on what clothing is.
I could see why body paint would be treated as such. It is pretty labor-intensive to put on a bunch of it. Then you'd have to deal with the drying and flaking of the paint. It overall just seems uncomfortable.
But I personally wouldn't consider it as "clothing." While it does technically cover one's body, it doesn't do it the same way that clothing really does.
There could definitely be an argument for why it would be considered as clothing, at least on females. There are plenty of videos where amazing body paint artists paint on what looks like normal, albeit very tight, clothing on women who then just walk around in public and no one really notices.
For men, however, and any other race with external reproductive organs, body paint can only go so far.
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It seems that so many people think that just because a nudist doesn't like to wear clothing means that we will refuse to wear anything, ever, even at a detriment to our own health.
Let me tell you, that is NOT the case. If I'm gonna be dealing with radiation, guess what? I'm gonna put on something to protect me from radiation.
If I'm going into combat, I'm going to put on something to protect me from getting stabbed or shot.
And if I'm going down to a frozen planet, or somewhere with a toxic atmosphere, or some other dangers, then you can bet that I'm going to be putting on something to protect me from all that.
Seriously, how hard is it to comprehend that because someone might not want to wear basic, every-day clothing that really gives no advantages to anything when there is literally no reason to, that DOESN'T mean they are going to rush into a dangerous situations completely bare?
And the, "Well something MIGHT happen," response is a non-argument. Do you go around wearing a bullet-proof vest in your house, or when you go to the store? Does your neighbor constantly wear a suit of a full tactical gear 24/7? Do you put on a crash-suit whenever you get in a car?
So why would you expect everyone in a game to effectively treat every possible thing as something that WILL happen, and thus always, constantly be ready for it when there are many people today who refuse to even wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle?
You do understand that the statement, "Something might happen so I take precaution (x)."
Is logical while the position, "well you don't always take precaution (x) so it doesn't matter if I don't take it in the same circumstances." Is not?
Again there are easy work arounds for the common worries in existing regularly in the environments without clothes in the setting (life bubble lasts days per level and handles 99+% of mentioned concerns). And of course these potential dangers can be ignored too as you pointed out.
Heck there are options to not rely on worn equipment for dangerous situations as well.
Regardless you asked for opinions. Most have been "you can, it may or may not be weird for those around you based on their norms, also there are some safety considerations to think about outside of extreme dangerous environments."
I make no assumptions about what form of nudism applies to you or your characters. I simply point out some considerations that might come up, as well as some of the mitigations for those considerations.
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I imagine its as comfortable or uncomfortable as the GM is about it. And then the rest of the group. And then the rest of society around your play-group.
And that's not even including the scenarios of "Um. Sure we're comfortable about it. Totally."
If it is compatible with the group, then the issue is almost a non-issue. its definitely more of a 'not dramatic' issue, and gains the same level mundane attention of "How much time is the GM willing to put this into the worldbuilding, what's the benefit/whats the point/etc? Putting it on par with any and all other gamemastery options and setting details that don't really come into play unless players intentionally focus on it.
If it is incompatible with the group, I find it no different than the player that decides to play Chaotic Douchebag, or Lawful Stupid, or "I'm totally going to solo stuff while the rest of the party sleeps" or "I'm making everything about me." or "I'm the GM's girl/boyfriend" or any of the hundreds of other things that can pop up in a game group ever experienced.
Now on the other hand, if you're a player and you want to play nude and the group is ok with it, but the GM doesn't want to spend time incorporating that into his game setting? Or give it the same level of detail and interest that OP might have in it? It absolutely doesn't matter what our opinions are or suggestions on how it might fit in. Because it won't apply, because its not going to be included.
So in a sense a group participant is welcome to do their own internal world building and wool gathering as much as they want, on the same scale as some players like writing bazillions of pages of backstory, but
beyond whatever individual attention a GM wants to give it, no one else in the group is really obligated to care. The only real time I see it being a problem is when a player wants to take their individual stuff over the shared play experience of everyone else participating.
As a group decision, the group is free to take whatever aspects of the setting in-character, or incorporated by game devs under advisement and use or discard them as needed. The group I played with never had any trans/gay/etc stuff in setting because none of us were and it didn't interest any of us. We could have been genderless for all chars as the group adventure never included romance or players playing genders other than their own real ones. GM still played out the various NPC stuff from paths since that was built in for some cases, but ultimately no impact beyond any other NPCs in any other stories. We didn't think it was wrong, or evil, or I dunno, 'icky' or something. It just didn't interest us. Our games weren't any less because we weren't using the 'full Pathfinder experience' or something. And we had tons of house rules and setting variants not 'canon'. But again, its all a shared experience. If the group is cool with it? Cool/ If the group doesn't want it? Cool too. No one minds a rotating spotlight, but over the decades I've seen groups ask people to leave when they become too me-me-me focused (sometimes its the GM too).
Hell, if the environmental protection is covered with forcefields and magic, why can't there be a bracelet of environmental protection that gives you just that :P Then you could just go as you wish.
As for nudity as a movement, I have a feeling with aliens and everything that there is none. Some are naked, some are clothed and no-one (hopefully) cares. Or maybe someone cares, but they are the racists/biggots of the future :)
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You could work that into your character's backstory. For example, say your character is from a world that has been taken over by clothing-shaped alien parasites. An evil cult became the world's largest supplier of clothes, and put fragments of these clothes parasites into everything they manufacture. After thousands of years of conspiracy (and market penetration), this company decides to hit the magic button that will activate all of the clothes aliens. You somehow managed to escape all of the clothes aliens and tried resisting their rule with a bunch of nudists who had their headquarters by the beach, but met with no success. With everyone else being taken, and the clothes aliens beginning to devour your world itself for its energy, you finally gave up and hailed a passing spaceship.
Do you, perchance, watch Kill La Kill?
Do you, perchance, watch Kill La Kill?
Oddly enough, I don't. It is on my Watch Later list, just never really got around to it.
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... There's no mechanical effect of going around naked other than a loss of AC, environmental protection, and pockets...
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The subdermal armorweave and envirosuit systems are quite inconspicuous, but we still haven't figured out how to make the pouchware line without it making the implantee look like a Liefeldian horror out of Giger's nightmares.
Subdermal armor is actually a pretty good idea just in general. I've seen it in nearly every high-tech RPG. It's something I can only assume Paizo is going to add in later books.
As for pouchware, I think that would mostly be able to work on prosthetic parts. Kinda easy to just add a compartment. But if you want to go organic, look no further than the Ysoki if you want a good example of how it can be done. I'd like to see a Vesk fit 19 grenades in it's mouth!
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I'd like to see a Vesk fit 19 grenades in it's mouth!
Best. Bar bet. Ever.
As for pouchware, I think that would mostly be able to work on prosthetic parts. Kinda easy to just add a compartment. But if you want to go organic, look no further than the Ysoki if you want a good example of how it can be done. I'd like to see a Vesk fit 19 grenades in it's mouth!
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I'd like to see a Vesk fit 19 grenades in it's mouth!Best. Bar bet. Ever.
You've obviously never seen an Ifrit get into an eating contest of gassy bar food with an Orc.
New character idea! Shirren fashionista/fashiondesigner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shirren: the choice to wear no clothing presents 1 option, yes.no. The choice to wear outfits presents NEAR INFINITE FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
Oh yeah, I see an Icon for this one.
I don't like to wear clothes myself. I find going about naked is about freedom, it's too bad it's against the law here. Although the place where I live have the best opportunities for naked hiking. You just have to be observant of the rattlesnakes.
I don't like to wear clothes myself. I find going about naked is about freedom, it's too bad it's against the law here. Although the place where I live have the best opportunities for naked hiking. You just have to be observant of the rattlesnakes.
I am truly jealous. In my state, it's illegal to be naked in view of a road, no matter where you are. So I have to keep curtains drawn, etc.
I would love to move to Seattle, where it's legal. It's also legal in the UK, which people are often surprised to hear.
Oo wait, you could get the tattoo and then put clothes OVER it. MORE choice!
Oo wait, you could get the tattoo and then put clothes OVER it. MORE choice!
You COULD. But why would you WANT to?
Oo wait, you could get the tattoo and then put clothes OVER it. MORE choice!You COULD. But why would you WANT to?
Aren't tattoos meant to be seen? Isn't the whole purpose of getting a tattoo so you could show it off?
That just means that you want to choose clothing that frames the tattoo instead of covering it.
That just means that you want to choose clothing that frames the tattoo instead of covering it.
So someone with a chest tattoo should just wear a shirt that completely exposes their chest?
So someone with a chest tattoo should just wear a shirt that completely exposes their chest?That just means that you want to choose clothing that frames the tattoo instead of covering it.
Yep.
So someone with a chest tattoo should just wear a shirt that completely exposes their chest?That just means that you want to choose clothing that frames the tattoo instead of covering it.
Yep.
I suppose, thanks to how armor can project a slight field to protect a wearer, that could work. Have armor that shows off some skin without a real detriment to AC. I did something similar with a Halfling character of mine. Though it was just so she could go barefoot, and not just bare.
Oo wait, you could get the tattoo and then put clothes OVER it. MORE choice!You COULD. But why would you WANT to?
because you could then chose at any given moment to show the tattoo that you chose or the clothing that you chose.
*starts a line of shiren pull away clothing*
I suppose, thanks to how armor can project a slight field to protect a wearer, that could work. Have armor that shows off some skin without a real detriment to AC. I did something similar with a Halfling character of mine. Though it was just so she could go barefoot, and not just bare.So someone with a chest tattoo should just wear a shirt that completely exposes their chest?That just means that you want to choose clothing that frames the tattoo instead of covering it.
Yep.
That would probably be the answer to being nude while still benefitting from armor/spacesuits in general. After all, in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Drax was hanging out the back of the Milano in the vacuum of space fully protected by a spacesuit, yet nothing was rubbing against his sensitive nipples...
Just refluff the armor as a series of emitters on a necklace or belt that project the full-body-covering-protective-whatever you need.
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I wonder if their version of the cherry-stem-knot thing people do here on Terra would be to spit out the pins from all 19 grenades before they explode.I'd like to see a Vesk fit 19 grenades in it's mouth!Best. Bar bet. Ever.
A Space Goblin might be pretty good at that, since they like to stuff things in their mouths and lick them anyway.
Just refluff the armor as a series of emitters on a necklace or belt that project the full-body-covering-protective-whatever you need.
Refluffing stuff like that is always possible for home-brew stuff. Though what I was asking at first wasn't really if it's viable, but if it's legal. A lot of people just seem to skip past the legal part with, "Yeah, probably," and then focus on the viability.
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Just refluff the armor as a series of emitters on a necklace or belt that project the full-body-covering-protective-whatever you need.Refluffing stuff like that is always possible for home-brew stuff. Though what I was asking at first wasn't really if it's viable, but if it's legal. A lot of people just seem to skip past the legal part with, "Yeah, probably," and then focus on the viability.
I don't see why it wouldn't be viable. The people of this setting can canonically make nearly anything literally out of money. "Projectors as armor" wouldn't even scratch the surface.
Heck, it even works with the whole advertising angle mentioned above. Consider your armor deflecting a hit and then those same armor projectors emitting a holographic projection saying, "Your good health brought to you by Sitark Industries. When you need to not die, give us a try."
Gives new meaning to the term "targeted advertising."
Giant Space Corps. would love the live and direct to potential customer advertising of profit reactive armor... :)
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Giant Space Corps. would love the live and direct to potential customer advertising of profit reactive armor... :)
Hello, your armor recently registered a catastrophic failure and your heartbeat is dropping to dangerously low levels. Would you like to purchase a MK 1 healing potion for 50 credits? Join Abadarcorp prime today and get free shipping to anywhere in the pact worlds...
For me, you would have to compare our reasons for wearing clothing in our culture and see what changes in the SF setting.
I agree that most species seen not wearing clothing would be seen as primitive, ...
Kinda like Earth today? Yet those "primitives" find our taboos against nudity (and obsessions with nakedness) to be just plain weird.
So, to preface this before before people start calling me a pervert or something, I've been a nudist for many years now. I've played nudists in PF campaigns, while I myself was fully nude in a group of eight people, all of which were comfortable with it.
This is NOT a sexual thing.
Now, with how socially progressive the majority of cultures seem to be in Starfinder, I am curious as to how nudists would be received in most places.
It appears that at some level at least, social nudity seems to be ok when it comes down to certain aliens and races, as well as communal showers on space ships and stations.
A Skittermander doesn't seem to need clothing to go around in any areas. Would a human require clothing in a Skittermander-controlled area? If it's ok for some to go sans-clothing, shouldn't it be ok for the rest as well?
One designer of SF at least seems to be fine with nudity, as James Sutter participated in a naked bike ride while covered in Star Trek body paint.
What do you folks think? Do you agree, disagree, or am I just nuts?
Honestly given a popular armor can basically make you look nude I am guessing body taboos are not as strong as as they currently are but probably depend where you are at. Space is a hostile environment so most times you are going to be wearing something for emergency protection when on station or in space.
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Honestly given a popular armor can basically make you look nude I am guessing body taboos are not as strong as as they currently are but probably depend where you are at. Space is a hostile environment so most times you are going to be wearing something for emergency protection when on station or in space.I know space is a hostile environment and I know there are some light and comfortable environment suits available, but are space stations and ships really that fragile? Are breaches and decompression common enough that everyone is in protective gear most of the time? And if it's only most of the time, how many people do they lose to such accidents regularly.
I suppose it does keep the vermin down. Rats don't breathe vacuum any better than people. Nor do bugs.
Agreed. Sensible as those concerns may be, they're just not in keeping with the genre. Space station environments typically are considered as safe as being planetside. How many people on the Death Star were wearing regular duty uniforms? Non-vacuum-rated stormtrooper armor? Flight suits? How many people on Deep Space Nine were going around in EVA suits while in the station? Or Deep Space Station K7 back in TOS? Or Yorktown in Star Trek Beyond?
We can even go to real life. Up on the ISS right now, how many astronauts inside the station are wearing gear that would let them survive a catastrophic breach?
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For my Ysoki icon, I found a compromise by wearing skin-color second skin. Sure, I might look like a featureless barbie doll, but hey, I'm sure my fellow party members are glad about that.
For my Ysoki icon, I found a compromise by wearing skin-color second skin. Sure, I might look like a featureless barbie doll, but hey, I'm sure my fellow party members are glad about that.
A bald-looking Ysoki probably wouldn't look too good. I don't know if you've ever seen a shaved rat before, but they don't exactly look Icon-worthy. And I tend to love rats.
Since androids are by nature essentially asexual, it seems like they'd have no need for "modesty". Unless specifically built to resemble another race they probably don't even have sex organs to cover. So, as long as they're in an environment that's at a comfortable temperature (which might be a much greater range for them than for humans), there's little reason for them to wear anything (well, except armor in combat). This would be even more true for more overtly mechanical beings, and perhaps for cyborgs of other races to greater or lesser degrees.
^Or try nude mice.
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Since androids are by nature essentially asexual, it seems like they'd have no need for "modesty". Unless specifically built to resemble another race they probably don't even have sex organs to cover. So, as long as they're in an environment that's at a comfortable temperature (which might be a much greater range for them than for humans), there's little reason for them to wear anything (well, except armor in combat). This would be even more true for more overtly mechanical beings, and perhaps for cyborgs of other races to greater or lesser degrees.
Androids just got over a few centuries of enslavement in no small part because people decided that they weren't... well.. people. If they run around as naked as a fork lift, people are going to think of then as a walking fork lift and treat them as such.. ie, badly. Androids have more reason to put on the appearences of a biologic than the biologics themselves.
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Oo wait, you could get the tattoo and then put clothes OVER it. MORE choice!You COULD. But why would you WANT to?because you could then chose at any given moment to show the tattoo that you chose or the clothing that you chose.
*starts a line of shiren pull away clothing*
We should start a duo!
Design/test clothes on each other! So much choice!!!!
Everything is both reversible and can be worn different ways..
its like a shiren fidget spinner
Since androids are by nature essentially asexual, it seems like they'd have no need for "modesty". Unless specifically built to resemble another race they probably don't even have sex organs to cover. So, as long as they're in an environment that's at a comfortable temperature (which might be a much greater range for them than for humans), there's little reason for them to wear anything (well, except armor in combat). This would be even more true for more overtly mechanical beings, and perhaps for cyborgs of other races to greater or lesser degrees.Androids just got over a few centuries of enslavement in no small part because people decided that they weren't... well.. people. If they run around as naked as a fork lift, people are going to think of then as a walking fork lift and treat them as such.. ie, badly. Androids have more reason to put on the appearences of a biologic than the biologics themselves.
But why would a culture that was enslaved for centuries want to then join and adopt the customs of the people who enslaved them? We know that many androids harbor resentment towards humans, and have created their own customs, cultures, even their own deity. So who's to say there wouldn't be groups that would embrace their artificial side over their organic side, and just forgo clothing?
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So who's to say there wouldn't be groups that would embrace their artificial side over their organic side, and just forgo clothing?
*headscratch*
When you talk about any group as large as an entire species like androids or shirren, you're talking about the general trend of a population, not every individual or subset. When someone says "Shirren are choice obsessed" what that parses to "shirren as a species are far more likely than other races to be choice obsessed" not that "EVERY shirren is choice obsessed"
So there very well could be individual androids or a group or a machinist movement that think clothes are the tools of the oppressors and run around naked. I didn't say that there weren't. I can just see why the species as a whole would be more concerned about PR than others.
But why would a culture that was enslaved for centuries want to then join and adopt the customs of the people who enslaved them? {. . .}Since androids are by nature essentially asexual, it seems like they'd have no need for "modesty". Unless specifically built to resemble another race they probably don't even have sex organs to cover. So, as long as they're in an environment that's at a comfortable temperature (which might be a much greater range for them than for humans), there's little reason for them to wear anything (well, except armor in combat). This would be even more true for more overtly mechanical beings, and perhaps for cyborgs of other races to greater or lesser degrees.Androids just got over a few centuries of enslavement in no small part because people decided that they weren't... well.. people. If they run around as naked as a fork lift, people are going to think of then as a walking fork lift and treat them as such.. ie, badly. Androids have more reason to put on the appearences of a biologic than the biologics themselves.
Wouldn't be the first time . . . .