Dimensional Unchained Monk?


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Making a monk for fun, and I noticed certain feat chain that compliment Abundant Step. The Dimensional Feat chain. Would it be feasible to make an Unchained Monk with Dimensional Agility & Assault? My thought would be that the monk becomes something like a Dragon Ball Z character striking a flying foe that is assumed to be out of reach.

Abundant Step to jump above the caster, Style Strike them to the ground and finish them off with the remainder of a flurry of blows on the way down.

The whole idea would definitely be a mid-late level goal, but it'd be damn impressive to pull off, but you'd need Pummeling Style, Bully, & Charge, as well as Dimensional Agility and Assault, assuming you get abundant step as a ki power.


I wouldn't bother with Pummeling Bully if I were you. You don't need it to get Pummeling Charge and it requires Improved Re-position and Improved Trip. Although you can pick up Improved Trip as a Monk bonus feat you'd have to acquire Improved Re-position normally, which means you'd also need Combat Expertise and INT 13.

If you want a free trip attack as part of the attack then you could just use the Leg Sweep style strike (perhaps combined with Improved Trip and Viscious Stomp, which a Monk can acquire quite easily).

Since Abundant Step and Pummeling Charge both require 8 Monk levels you'd have to be at least 13th level to get all the feats you mention.

Alternatively you could just go for Dimensional Dervish, in which case you wouldn't need the Pummeling Style feats to get a full attack when you teleport.

I've always liked the idea of going full on Dimensional Savant with a multi-classed Monk/Ninja. Their ki pools stack and a few dice of sneak attack is rather handy if you can flank with yourself.

However I haven't seen any of the Dimensional feats in play so don't know whether they're worth the expense in feats and ki points.


Okay, so here's my build idea;

Human Unchained Monk (13)
Stats (Already Adjusted);
Str 14 Int 10
Dex 20 Wis 18
Con 14 Cha 8

Feats & Choices
1- Weapon Finesse, Bonus: Dodge
2- Bonus: Combat Reflexes
3- Jabbing Style
4- Ki Power: Qinggong Power (Barkskin), +1 Wis
5- Weapon Focus (Unarmed), Style Strike: Flying Kick
6- Bonus: Mobility, Ki Power: Elemental Fury (Electricity)
7- Jabbing Dancer
8- Ki Power: Abundant Step, +1 Dex
9- Dimensional Agility
10- Bonus: Medusa's Wrath, Ki Power: Inspired Wisdom, Style Strike: Elbow Smash
11- Dimensional Assault
12- Ki Power: Diamond Soul, +1 Dex
13- Dimensional Dervish

As I type it out, it's pretty feat taxing... What do you think?


Not bad, though you're selling yourself a little short:

You get two bonus feats at first level, one for being human (unless you've traded it for an alternate racial trait) and one for being a Monk. If you are a feat short I'd consider Power Attack. It's a good feat in and of itself and it's also a prereq for Jabbing Master. With Power Attack at 1st level you could take Jabbing master at 15th level.

You get the second style strike at 9th level, not 10th, and a third at 13th.

Finally I'm not sure why you're increasing your WIS at 4th level and then not again. If it's 18 at 1st level I can't see the benefit in taking it to 19 and then stopping.


I'd recommend Qinggong Power: Ki Leech as the 10th level Ki Power.

Moonclanger wrote:
You get two bonus feats at first level, one for being human (unless you've traded it for an alternate racial trait) (...) Finally I'm not sure why you're increasing your WIS at 4th level and then not again. If it's 18 at 1st level I can't see the benefit in taking it to 19 and then stopping.

Looks like the a 14/16/14/10/15/8 distribution (25-point-buy) with Dual Talent (Dex/Wis).


Yup, should've mentioned I chose Dual Talent. If I get the book Blood of Angels before I get to use this character, I'm going to swap out human for a Geruda-blooded Aasimar. Though I'm curious about the "Scion of Humanity" Alt Racial. Does that grant me the ability to use the Human favored class bonus?


BlingerBunny wrote:
Yup, should've mentioned I chose Dual Talent. If I get the book Blood of Angels before I get to use this character, I'm going to swap out human for a Geruda-blooded Aasimar. Though I'm curious about the "Scion of Humanity" Alt Racial. Does that grant me the ability to use the Human favored class bonus?

Yes but I wouldn't consider the favored class bonus worth. Especially if you get Ki Leech.

Dimensional Agility is a very strong feat chain once you've got all the pieces. You will almost always get a full attack and opponents will almost never get one against you if they even get a chance to attack.

You can also retrain a feat between level 9 and 11 to get earlier access.

Make sure to get this item

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/rings/ring-of-ki-mastery/


So how about this; Once I get the Blood of Angels book I go for a Garuda-blooded Aasimar with the Scion of Humanity alt-trait. (Mainly because I want people to think I'm human in the campaign I'm in.) The stats should remain the same, except for a few extra boons like resistances, darkvision, and a spell-like ability.

Aasimar Unchained Monk (13)
Stats (Already Adjusted);
Str 14 Int 10
Dex 20 Wis 18
Con 14 Cha 8

Feats & Choices
1- Weapon Finesse, Bonus: Dodge
2- Bonus: Combat Reflexes
3- Jabbing Style
4- Ki Power: Qinggong Power (Barkskin), +1 Wis
5- Weapon Focus (Unarmed), Style Strike: Flying Kick
6- Bonus: Mobility, Ki Power: Elemental Fury (Electricity)
7- Jabbing Dancer
8- Ki Power: Abundant Step, +1 Dex
9- Dimensional Agility, Style Strike: Elbow Smash
10- Bonus: Medusa's Wrath, Ki Power: Ki Leech
11- Jabbing Master
12- Ki Power: Diamond Soul, +1 Dex
13- Dimensional Assault, Style Strike: Shattering Punch
14- Bonus: Improved Critical (unarmed), Ki Power: Ki Volley
15- Dimensional Dervish, Style Strike: Defensive Spin

The build is decent, but the bonus damage from Jabbing Master is pretty useful considering I'll be going for as many attacks as I can get for maximum damage. This is looking, rather heavily, like a 1-17 commitment, if I go for Dimensional Savant as well.]

Also, as I think on this, and realize I have time to edit; I was going to take Power attack at 9, which would push the dimensional chain build to 19, which I probably won't be able to enjoy.


BlingerBunny wrote:
Also, as I think on this, and realize I have time to edit; I was going to take Power attack at 9, which would push the dimensional chain build to 19, which I probably won't be able to enjoy.

Without Power Attack you won't qualify for Jabbing Master.

You could trade out Weapon Focus (at 5th level) for Power Attack.

While Power Attack isn't always a good choice for a Monk since he lacks accuracy boosters to offset the to-hit penalty, the additional damage from Jabbing Master is considerable. So with this build I'd take Power Attack to get Jabbing Master but only actually use Power Attack against opponents with poor AC.

PS: Still don't see why you're increasing your WIS to an odd number at 4th level.


Moonclanger wrote:

Without Power Attack you won't qualify for Jabbing Master.

You could trade out Weapon Focus (at 5th level) for Power Attack.

While Power Attack isn't always a good choice for a Monk since he lacks accuracy boosters to offset the to-hit penalty, the additional damage from Jabbing Master is considerable. So with this build I'd take Power Attack to get Jabbing Master but only actually use Power Attack against opponents with poor AC.

PS: Still don't see why you're increasing your WIS to an odd number at 4th level.

I could do that... Also I'm not increasing my stat to an odd number. I declared that the stats are already adjusted. My base stats are;

Str 14 Int 10
Dex 16 Wis 15
Con 14 Cha 8

I get a +2 to Dex and Wis as per dual talent, putting them at 18 and 17 respectively. At 4th level I give Wis +1 to put it at 18, and at 8th and 12th I put those stat increases into Dex making it 20. After those adjustments I'd be here at level 12;

Str 14 Int 10
Dex 20 Wis 18
Con 14 Cha 8


BlingerBunny wrote:

Also I'm not increasing my stat to an odd number. I declared that the stats are already adjusted. My base stats are;

Str 14 Int 10
Dex 16 Wis 15
Con 14 Cha 8

I get a +2 to Dex and Wis as per dual talent, putting them at 18 and 17 respectively. At 4th level I give Wis +1 to put it at 18, and at 8th and 12th I put those stat increases into Dex making it 20. After those adjustments I'd be here at level 12;

Str 14 Int 10
Dex 20 Wis 18
Con 14 Cha 8

Ah! My misunderstanding. I thought you meant they were adjusted for 1st level, not 13th. All makes sense now.

Well, good luck with the character. I think he should work very well. In fact I'm going to make a note of the build in case I get round to playing a Monk one day.


It's fine, I'm going to adjust the build so my Dimensional chain will be later, but my main part of the build will be online much earlier.


Another thing you could exploit.
After level 5 and the feat "Endurance" you could pick up 3 levels of "Horizon Walker" prestige class, and go "Arcane Terrain Mastery" to get "Dimension door" as a spell-like ability 3+Wis mod a day in addition to your Ki point dimension doors, if you are REALLY dependant on your dimension doors this might be a good back-up if your Ki-points are a issue.


Dracoknight wrote:

Another thing you could exploit.

After level 5 and the feat "Endurance" you could pick up 3 levels of "Horizon Walker" prestige class, and go "Arcane Terrain Mastery" to get "Dimension door" as a spell-like ability 3+Wis mod a day in addition to your Ki point dimension doors, if you are REALLY dependant on your dimension doors this might be a good back-up if your Ki-points are a issue.

By the time you're able to properly use DD/AS (i.e. have Dimensional Dervish), you can have Ki Leech anyway, which should be enough ki for anything you want if you know some tricks.

For starters, using non-lethal damage and CdG'ing the unconscious enemies after combat. More advanced/abuse-y trick include repeatedly attacking (possibly CdG'ing) an armored target with a whip - no damage, but you can still crit and thus recover ki. There's also no minimum HD required (unlike for Gunslingers and Swashbucklers), so you can knock out some rats to get ki back. The extreme method is aquiring a tiny creature with regeneration (like Nycar), keep it in your rucksack at negative HP, and CdG it after each combat until you're at maximum ki pool again.


Dracoknight wrote:

Another thing you could exploit.

After level 5 and the feat "Endurance" you could pick up 3 levels of "Horizon Walker" prestige class, and go "Arcane Terrain Mastery" to get "Dimension door" as a spell-like ability 3+Wis mod a day in addition to your Ki point dimension doors, if you are REALLY dependant on your dimension doors this might be a good back-up if your Ki-points are a issue.

I'm not looking to be dependent on Abundant Steps; After 12, I was looking at it as icing on an already decent kung-fu cake.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Modules Subscriber

If you go down this path be sure to give Monk of the Mantis a look.

Later on in the Dimension feat chain you count as flanking with yourself. So getting a bit of sneak attack could be pretty nice.


the Diviner wrote:

If you go down this path be sure to give Monk of the Mantis a look.

Later on in the Dimension feat chain you count as flanking with yourself. So getting a bit of sneak attack could be pretty nice.

Note that without the 6th levle bonus feat, Mobility must be takes as a regular feat, in this case in place of Weapon Focus at 5th level. It also requires Dimensional Savant, i.e. 17th level.

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