Why don't paladins get bears endurance in pathfinder


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


I was looking through the spell list and noticed paldins don't have bears endurance. I was just wondering if there was any particular reason.


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I doubt there was any reason other than they copied the spell list largely intact from D&D 3.5. To the best of my knowledge there never has been anything approaching an official reason as to why the stat buff spells were distributed with their peculiar gaps as they were.

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It's a carryover from 3.5.

In 3.5 the paladin's spellcasting was based on wisdom. The "expected" buff spells she would use on herself were strength, wisdom, and charisma, so that's the ones she got. Ditto for the cleric and druid who got the buff spells they were "expected" to use on themselves. Wizard got them all as the basis for spellcasting in general.

I'm not really sure why it was thought that the paladin wouldn't want extra Con but the cleric would. Maybe Lay on Hands was supposed to make up for the lack.


Because sitting around all covered in hunny and smacking their lips contentedly would be particularly undignified for a paladin - even ones of little brain.


Bill Dunn wrote:
Because sitting around all covered in hunny and smacking their lips contentedly would be particularly undignified for a paladin - even ones of little brain.

What about ones wearing a red shirt and no pants?


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Sounds like a Boo-boo to me.


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no, it's a Pooh


Same reason that ranger's don't get bull's strength spell.
Maybe they took darts to decide which spells went to which list?


I'm pretty sure druids get them all.


master_marshmallow wrote:
I'm pretty sure druids get them all.

Nope, druids and hunters don't get eagle's splendor or fox's cunning.

Sorcerers/wizards/alchemists/arcanists/investigators/psychics/mediums are the only ones to get all six.

As for the others:

Clerics/oracles/shamans/warpriests get bear's endurance, bull's strength, eagle's splendor, and owl's wisdom.

Bards/skalds get cat's grace, eagle's splendor, and fox's cunning.

Paladins get bull's strength, eagle's splendor, and owl's wisdom.

Rangers get bear's endurance, cat's grace, and owl's wisdom.

Antipaladins get bull's strength and eagle's splendor.

Magi get bear's endurance, bull's strength, and cat's grace.

Bloodragers get bear's endurance, bull's strength, cat's grace, and eagle's splendor.

Mesmerists get cat's grace and eagle's splendor.

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