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Dragon78 wrote:
I never read the manga but have heard of a character who used nano-bots, I think his name was Dr. Nova(or something similar). I wonder how many movies we would have to get to see him.

Desty Nova! I suspect he would be in the second movie


Desty Nova, that's it, I would love to see this guy in action.

It is a shame the anime didn't continue.


The manga is where it's at. Story is continuing. Up to the prequel now, telling the story of Gally/Alita and how she became a cyborg and learned Panzer Kunst and stuff.


Nova would no doubt be toned way down since body horror is his main thing. Plus all the splattering brains and bodies would be sliced out to avoid an R rating. I expect just dented robot bodies.


Is Panzer Kunst her style of martial arts?

You mean after all this time they are only now starting to show how/why she become a cyborg?

Did Nova know Alita/Gally when she was human or at least have anything to do with her being in the dumb?

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Spoiler:
She got a cyborg body at 3 years of age when she was injured during a war on Mars.

How she got in the dump is told in Battle Angel Alita: Last Order.


I stopped the series after the ZOTT was done and Gally went off to mars.

Supposedly, Gally was some kind of...tumor. From a few pages I saw.


Phillip Gastone wrote:

I stopped the series after the ZOTT was done and Gally went off to mars.

Supposedly, Gally was some kind of...tumor. From a few pages I saw.

missing out man.


Story fatigue I guess, plus I was kinda tired of Gally herself since she started beating everyone in the ZOTT like a red-headed step children. The side characters like the Space Karate crew and the ghostly zen monk were far more interesting since they were struggling along their paths while Gally was effectively a max level character stomping through a low level zone.


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I will never not love space karate.


Dragon78 wrote:

Is Panzer Kunst her style of martial arts?

You mean after all this time they are only now starting to show how/why she become a cyborg?

Did Nova know Alita/Gally when she was human or at least have anything to do with her being in the dumb?

Yeah Panzer Kunst is a Martial arts specifically created for fighting Cyborgs.Kind of heavy on hard hitting joint strikes

There had always been a few hints to her past. We learned she was from mars and she was part of some kind of rebellion but we never really had the full details.


Thanks for the info Charles Scholz and Greylurker.


Release date changed to February 14th 2019.


Trailer 3 is up.

Note: The February 6th release date is for the UK, February 14th is still the US release date.


It really does look as though we will finally get a live-action adaptation of a manga that manages to be true the source material and looks good.


The new trailer looks like they have really polished up the CGI. It still looks a bit weird (which is good) but not as cartoony


I'm kinda excited.


'I will never abide evil' sounds a lot cheesier spoken than printed

So it looks like origin+motorball+Love interest arcs mixed together.

If this does well enough, a second movie might have Desty Nova


All I know is this is going on my "I will see it in theaters" list.


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Jashugan from Motor Ball deserves a whole second movie to deal with.


I am a bit worried that they are trying to cram too much into a single movie. OTOH, I don't think an entire film all about motorball would work that well (but maybe that's just my innate anti-sports attitude talking).


This and Godzilla King of Monsters are my most anticipated movies of next year.

Finally read the original Manga with the non-cannon ending. Anyone know how much more there is after that?


You mean apart from Last Order and Mars Chronicles?


Well let's see.

Battle Angel Alita which was cut short due to some kind of conflict/creator illness so we got the abrupt ending(Which was still pretty good IMO)

Last Order then started up with the Tipheres/ZOTT stories

Then Mars Chronicles.


You know, I should probably read BAA properly and in-order sometime. I got a few random volumes of the manga from my library, but I was definitely missing some stuff. XD


I own all of everything except mars chronicle.


How long is Last Order and Mars Chronicles?

Is Last Order or Mars Chronicles about Alita's past?


Dragon78 wrote:

How long is Last Order and Mars Chronicles?

Is Last Order or Mars Chronicles about Alita's past?

very.

Yes.


So both Last Order and Mars Chronicles are prequels?


Dragon78 wrote:
So both Last Order and Mars Chronicles are prequels?

yeeeesssss and no.

Last order goes into some flashbacks and explanations for the entire world, including when vampires took over. I wish I was making that up. But mars chronicles explains where gally was when much of this was happening.

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Until I got the collectors edition I didn't realize the last book was non-canon.
I just thought the ending of Last Order was a retelling because the author wanted to extend the books and still explain the ending of the first series.

BTW in the dream world of the last canon book, Ido and Nova call her Gally.
What did they call her in the original Japanese manga?

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Freehold DM wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
So both Last Order and Mars Chronicles are prequels?

yeeeesssss and no.

Last order goes into some flashbacks and explanations for the entire world, including when vampires took over. I wish I was making that up. But mars chronicles explains where gally was when much of this was happening.

Most of Last Order's flashbacks are what happened to the Earth before the elevator was finally built, allowing people to colonize other planets.

The flashbacks with Gally/Alita are why she left Mars and what she did on the elevator that led to her being found broken in the Scrapyard.

Mars Chronicles' flashbacks, which looks to be most of what the story is going to be for now, are about her life as a child and growing up.


Charles Scholz wrote:

Until I got the collectors edition I didn't realize the last book was non-canon.

I just thought the ending of Last Order was a retelling because the author wanted to extend the books and still explain the ending of the first series.

BTW in the dream world of the last canon book, Ido and Nova call her Gally.
What did they call her in the original Japanese manga?

Gally.


The original series with the non-canon ending is a good stopping point for those who don't want the slog of the ZOTT. There is just so much to wade through until the end. The characters in it are interesting and even get more interesting than Alita


Hopefully the Mars Chronicles and Last Order will get a special edition release like the original series got.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Charles Scholz wrote:

Until I got the collectors edition I didn't realize the last book was non-canon.

I just thought the ending of Last Order was a retelling because the author wanted to extend the books and still explain the ending of the first series.

BTW in the dream world of the last canon book, Ido and Nova call her Gally.
What did they call her in the original Japanese manga?

Gally.

Just clarifying, they still called her Gally in the dream world?


Charles Scholz wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Charles Scholz wrote:

Until I got the collectors edition I didn't realize the last book was non-canon.

I just thought the ending of Last Order was a retelling because the author wanted to extend the books and still explain the ending of the first series.

BTW in the dream world of the last canon book, Ido and Nova call her Gally.
What did they call her in the original Japanese manga?

Gally.

Just clarifying, they still called her Gally in the dream world?

yup.


So, who else plans on seeing it opening weekend?


*raises hand*
Even if I hadn't wanted to for my own sake, BAA is one of my girlfriend's favorite mangas, so I would be dragged along willi-nilli.


I'm in.

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On my list of things to do, but life may interfere.


New Trailer


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I got to see this movie today and I was impressed. It was a very good interpretation and adaptation of the manga. They did their best to respect the manga and the characters. It was well worth full price and the movie will be going into my "To Own" category when it comes out on DVD. I might even see it again in the theater.


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I never read the manga, but for what it was trying to do, I was very pleased by this. Lots of standard tropes, with just enough twists to keep things interesting. I felt this was better than anything Marvel has done in a long while. Rosa Salazar and Christopher Waltz are great. Go see it in a cinema so it makes enough money to justify a sequel. Definitely a blu-ray purchase.


The best live-action adaptation of a manga. On the whole, very well done. It's obvious the creators put a lot of effort and love into this one, and they actually understood the characters (mostly) and kept the important bits of the stories.

Being who I am, I have a few issues. The pointless mix of Japanese and English names for things (Alita and Zalem, instead of Gally and Zalem or Alita and Tiphares) or changing Ido's name to Dyson. The introduction of Chiren (whose entire excuse for existence could have been fulfilled by a 20 second scene with Alita watching Ido) was pointless, but I'll give it a pass since we see Connelly in lingerie. The worst was how they ruined Hugo's character in his death scene, and to a lesser extent the replacement of dark mirror opponent by Grewishka, who is just a brute. Some of the changes worked for the better, like how Alita gets the Berserker frame.

The action was great, there are cameos and details galore for fans of the manga, and it's enjoyable for newcomers. In short, a quite good movie and I'll be seeing it again soon.


NAME CHANGES?

UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!


I'm generally against them. They are usually pointless and annoying and rarely add anything to the finished product. There are exceptions but this was not one of them.


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I love this movie, I have seen it twice, and I will be seeing it a third time this week. I really, really, really hope that some how it makes enough money to get sequels.


The Purity of Violence wrote:
I never read the manga, but for what it was trying to do, I was very pleased by this. Lots of standard tropes, with just enough twists to keep things interesting. I felt this was better than anything Marvel has done in a long while. Rosa Salazar and Christopher Waltz are great. Go see it in a cinema so it makes enough money to justify a sequel. Definitely a blu-ray purchase.

In fairness, the script for the movie was written (though it's been revised since then) two decades ago and they were just waiting for the technology to catch up so as to have the film do justice to the source material. So back then, the tropes either weren't standard, or the original series is what made them standard.


I like it. maybe a tad melodramatic at times but I loved the action sequences.

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