Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East
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Running this tonight. Question on the hidden wall safe. The room description says the safe is behind a picture of Arnisant fighting ghouls. But the Treasure entry says it's behind a painting of some ships. Are there two safes, or is one wrong? And do they need to take the painting down before attempting the perception check, as it's covered up?
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I believe a character can always take 10 if they are willing to deal with the consequences. I don't think there is any language forbidding it on the boon.
I really like the callouts to characters who have leveled out or would have been more appropriate in the Noble PCs section. I and my players are going to have fun claiming to be agents of our other titled PCs.
Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage
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I really like the callouts to characters who have leveled out or would have been more appropriate in the Noble PCs section. I and my players are going to have fun claiming to be agents of our other titled PCs.
I think i missed that part. can you,point me to where i missed that, i am running this this weekend.
Thanks
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Venture-Lieutenant, California—North Coast
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Running this tonight. Question on the hidden wall safe. The room description says the safe is behind a picture of Arnisant fighting ghouls. But the Treasure entry says it's behind a painting of some ships. Are there two safes, or is one wrong? And do they need to take the painting down before attempting the perception check, as it's covered up?
I'm running this tomorrow night and I have the same questions about the picture(s).
In regards to the perception check though I think it's to notice that there is something off with which ever painting it is, like it's crooked or there are fingerprints all over it kinda thing that leads the PCs to move it to find the safe in the wall.
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Prepared to run it, but ended up playing instead. The "mission briefing" from the museum curator had the party 100% convinced that they didn't want to talk to the magistrate until after they had already done everything. When I do GM this I'll be changing up that briefing a little bit to compensate.
Oh, and I really wish the sidebars didn't end up being so far away from the NPCs. I get why that happened, but you shouldn't have one NPC's information spread across three pages. That just makes life way too hard.
Fantastic scenario, though.
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It's not the information--the party felt like the scenario put them in a no-win situation because Morilla told them to do everything legally and then the "scenario" made them do everything illegally. The scenario actually has a way around it by being deputized, but the briefing the museum curator gives has managed to convince at least a few parties not to approach the magistrate until the very end.
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My group didn't want to talk to the magistrate until the end, either, but they finished talking to everyone else and had hours to spare before their night time activities. They debated talking to her or heading to the streets to spread stories, but ultimately decided talking to her wouldn't take that long, and they wanted to check up on the court records anyway. They were pleasantly surprised when she offered to deputize them after they made her friendly and said they were trying to investigate the pirates, which put the group at ease that they were on the right path.
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I think that I'm missing something.
As far as I can tell, there is no DC for presenting each piece of opposing information in the Birthright celebration scene. And the only benefit of doing so is to allow the person presenting evidence the opportunity of making an aid another check.
At DC 30+ even a remarkably diplomatic character is going to have problems. It seems that unless the group has lots of diplomats success is quite unlikely.
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My team had their main diplomacy character roll a 3. He rerolled....into another 3.
By the end of adding the evidence they presented and the support of the NPCs they influenced, they had a 32. Sadly, they were 4-5, so they missed it by one.
(Counting the evidence, there are 11 pieces that can be presented. That's +22 on the final check if the party found everything and articulates it.)
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The range of possible DCs is very high depending on how well the party does in the rest of the scenario and what evidence they manage to present. If they well in the rest of the scenario, a party could have a maximum of a +18 bonus to their check to hit a DC 30 (or 33 in high subtier). Needing to hit a diplomacy check of 12--or 15 at, say, level 4--isn't bad, and it's really an 8 or an 11 because the party still gets most of the benefits of a success if they fail by 4 or less.
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When I ran this I found that it surprisingly went a little long. I hadn't spent THAT much time on the original roleplaying/investigation encounters so I was taken aback when I realized that I had only an hour to complete the warehouse encounter, battle of words, and final fight.
Just a warning to keep better track of time than I did and not assume that, because it was a 1-5, it would automatically be short :-)
Grapple part members?
That seems....oddly specific. And somewhat NSFW.
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Oh, and I really wish the sidebars didn't end up being so far away from the NPCs. I get why that happened, but you shouldn't have one NPC's information spread across three pages. That just makes life way too hard.Fantastic scenario, though.
Agreed it would be better if the side notes had their own page in the handouts section instead. I'm just going to copy and paste it into word and print out a separate sheet or print single-sided and cut them out and paperclip them to the gm screen
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Regarding the boon, I know for a fact a player I am running this for has a noble title via Honors Echo and another due via a boon from gencon.
Would that get 10 free checkboxes (or rather 5 now and 5 more when their prestige total reaches 25) total or 5?
I was asked this by one of my local players - I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one curious about this, and so..."bump?"
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Ok, I got asked about the following by one of my players, it's concerning the "Rising Star" boon.
The boon states "...If you already have (or later gain) another boon or vanity that grants you a noble title in Taldor, you can immediately check five boxes."...
The "Noble Title" Taldan Vanity from the Field Guide allows the player to buy a noble title (cost of 1PP, requirement of 20 Fame)...
Vanities can be purchased more than once.
Now for the question:
Can a PC buy more than one "Noble Title" Vanities and check off 5 boxes for each? At the most extreme this would be buying 4 "Noble Titles" - say - the Duke of Cornwall, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, & Lord of the Isles, and checking all the boxes on the boon, all at once. For a cost of 4 PP, gaining 4 titles and checking off all 20 of the boxes.
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Well, it does feel a little abusive to me,,, but if that’s the way it’s intended to work, it becomes very tempting to utilize it myself. It just feels like a loop-hole to me, realizing that once you get 20 fame a PC can spend 4 PP to check off all the boxes. And if you are able to get a 40 on Kn(Nobility) or Diplomacy, you can switch your Day Job rolls over to recovering spent PP.
This just feels... questionable.
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Without seeing a ruling from Campaign Leadership, I don't think there are any specific rules against it. While it is clearly a use of downtime, the restrictions on applying modifiers to day job checks are specifically for day job checks.
That said, as a downtime activity, it's going to feel like a day job check to some GMs. I'd expect some table variation.
For context:
You can use your Downtime to attempt a Knowledge (nobility) check to build connections within Taldor’s elaborate noble hierarchy, laying the groundwork for your own promotion later. The DC of this check is equal to 15 + 1/2 your character level (minimum +0). If you succeed, check one of the boxes below. If your check exceeds the DC by 10 or more, you can instead check two boxes. If you already have (or later gain) another boon or vanity that grants you a noble title in Taldor, you can immediately check five boxes.
Once you check all of the boxes below, you become a true landgrave (in charge of a nonwilderness region that lacks a significant settlement) or viscount (in charge of a few small settlements). You immediately gain a number of gold pieces equal to 75 × your XP total. In addition, you can now earn gold by administering your lands, allowing you to use Diplomacy or Knowledge (nobility) for Day Job checks. When doing so, a result of 40 or higher earns you 150 gp and allows you to regain 1 previously expended Prestige Point. If you already have the ability to use Diplomacy or Knowledge (nobility) for Day Job checks, you gain a +3 bonus on such checks.
• Equipment
• Feats
• Racial bonuses
• Class features
• Traits
• Familiar bonuses
• Crafter’s fortune spell
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That said, as a downtime activity, it's going to feel like a day job check to some GMs. I'd expect some table variation.Why?
The list in your second spoiler includes "equipment."
The pathfinder chronicle is equipment.
The bonus is a generic bonus to Knowledge (Nobility), rather than one specific use of the skill.I see no reason why the chronicle (and any other masterwork tool) would NOT be allowed on Day Job checks or checks for the boon.
A discussion of the nitty-gritty details of day job checks (and all the different ways I've seen individual GMs interpret the day job rule) is probably too off-base for this particular thread, but:
In general, there are lots of ways to interpret rules, right? Furthermore, when you've got edge cases like this one where something probably doesn't (but might!) count as an example of an already fuzzy rule, I've found it smart to go in without too many expectations. The inclusion of a +2 bonus to a check on something that is maybe a day job but probably not and maybe applies to a day job but maybe doesn't isn't worth an argument with your GM. In my opinion.
In the specific case, you're forgetting the "Permanent bonuses" clause. You need to spend an hour reading the book each morning, which isn't too far away from preparing a spell, but might be enough for a GM to rule that it's not as permanent a bonus as a masterwork tool.
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In the specific case, you're forgetting the "Permanent bonuses" clause. You need to spend an hour reading the book each morning, which isn't too far away from preparing a spell, but might be enough for a GM to rule that it's not as permanent a bonus as a masterwork tool.Not quite. You're thinking of the specifically-numbered chronicles from the PFSPrimer. I'm talking about the ones from the Adventurer's Guide and Inner Sea World Guide. Granted, those also take 1d4 rounds to use, so a GM that wanted to ban it would still have a reason...
Ah, but see? Those chronicles are so obviously temporary bonuses (at least to me) that I didn't even consider them as possibilities! So there's a good example of your table variation.