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How much skin?


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Ok, witch Major Hex Animal Skin

Allows you to take on the shape of an animal (from size Tiny To Large) who's skin you wear. How much of the skin do you need to wear? This could obviously be a problem for small witches and large animals - imagine some halfling and a cave bear skin...Or with tiny animals and witches in general - a hat made from an entire mouse? Or could you get away with something like a bracer made from multiple animal skins and feathers, like this

Also given no # of uses is given, can you use it an unlimited # of times/day? And the duration is minutes per level, just like beast shape II, right?


I would say an appropriate amount of skin for your size, so like no cheesing and wearing like a feather, like realistically wearing an animal skin as a cloak or something. It's not clarified so there is no official answer, just don't be cheesy and I'm sure you'll be fine. as for number per day, well it's a hex so unless it says otherwise it is unlimited. I would say it works identically to change shape and every other ability like this, meaning you can stay in shape indefinitely. If it was in fact unlimited and forced you to spend a standard action every x amount of minutes then it would be the only unlimited polymorph ability in the game to do so, so yeah i would say indefinite (it is a major hex so it is supposed to be good).


Thelemonache has the right of it. Using only part of an animal skin (assuming appropriate size) wouldn't constitute being able to shift into that animal.

If I were GM, I'd rule that you'd have to possess the entire hide of a creature for you to utilize the hex.

For example, rat fur used as a stocking cap (or makeshift moccasins). Falcon feathers used as a headdress. Or a fox hide used as a belly-warming sash. Or a cloak made out of a wolf or bear pelt.

I wouldn't require that they take up slots or anything unless they are actually magic items, but that's a whole separate issue.


There are various hides/pelts as magic items: just use them as a reference.

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I agree with Darksol: the whole skin. If it's damaged, such that it has holes or inessential parts are destroyed, but it would still cover enough of the animal to raise from the dead, that probably doesn't disrupt the hex, but there can't be another piece serving a game purpose.

If a halfling wants to change into a cave bear, she might well have to check carrying capacity. edit: Leather armour of the animal's size might provide guidance for weight, or if the witch wants to keep the fur on and count it as cold weather clothing, it weighs accordingly.

It's not a magic item, so it doesn't occupy a slot.


You need the entire skin of the animal, however you "wear" it as part of transforming yourself not as clothes beforehand.

It's how shapeshifting works in scandinavian mythology/folklore, if you want to imagine how it looks
this pictureof Loki transforming into a Hawk could be helpful.

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One critters worth
(hah! Take that metric system)


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BigNorseWolf wrote:

One critters worth

(hah! Take that metric system)

Joke's on you! To get that much skin, you'll probably have to kilocritter!


blahpers wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

One critters worth

(hah! Take that metric system)
Joke's on you! To get that much skin, you'll probably have to kilocritter!

Mine's clearly in centicritters!!! ;)

Of course Ald, Alen, Aṅgula, Arş, Arşın, Bamboo, Cana, Cubit, Ell, Girah, Guz, Hat'h, Jow, Ligne, Line, Pace, Palm, Pes, Pyramid inch, Rod, Sana lamjel, Stadion and/or the Unglie are preferable units of measurement to the metric system.


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Attican or Egyptian stadion?


The Sideromancer wrote:
Attican or Egyptian stadion?

Neither, but the Anglo-Saxon furlong it's synonymous with [660']. If I had to pick a older type, I prefer the Babylonian [643'] as it's the closest to the more 'modern' one.


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graystone wrote:
The Sideromancer wrote:
Attican or Egyptian stadion?
Neither, but the Anglo-Saxon furlong it's synonymous with [660']. If I had to pick a older type, I prefer the Babylonian [643'] as it's the closest to the more 'modern' one.

Awww... I was hoping you'd say "I don't know that!" and fall into the Chasm of Doom. :-(


Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
graystone wrote:
The Sideromancer wrote:
Attican or Egyptian stadion?
Neither, but the Anglo-Saxon furlong it's synonymous with [660']. If I had to pick a older type, I prefer the Babylonian [643'] as it's the closest to the more 'modern' one.

Awww... I was hoping you'd say "I don't know that!" and fall into the Chasm of Doom. :-(

LAUNCELOT: We were in the nick of time, you were in great peril.

GALAHAD: I don't think I was.

LAUNCELOT: Yes you were, you were in terrible peril.

GALAHAD: Look, let me go back in there and face the peril.

LAUNCELOT: No, it's too perilous.

GALAHAD: Look, it's my duty as a knight to sample as much peril as I can

LAUNCELOT: No, we've got to find the Holy Grail. Come on!

GALAHAD: Well, let me have just a little bit of peril?


Ok, so give pretty much everyone believes in whole critter skins, how much do you plan on charging your players for critter skin cloaks? I've never heard of any town having say, a giant octopus skin cloak available...

Given anyone who wants to use this ability a lot needs several cloaks (for different situations)

1) Generic Combat - Dire Tiger/Megaraptor
2) Sneak - Rat
3) Flying Combat - Giant Falcon
4) Sneaky flier - Owl
5) Combat Swim - Giant Octopus
6) Travel Bird - trumpeter swan
7) Travel Swim - Narwhale

What kind of bill is the PC looking at?


pad300 wrote:

Ok, so give pretty much everyone believes in whole critter skins, how much do you plan on charging your players for critter skin cloaks? I've never heard of any town having say, a giant octopus skin cloak available...

Given anyone who wants to use this ability a lot needs several cloaks (for different situations)

1) Generic Combat - Dire Tiger/Megaraptor
2) Sneak - Rat
3) Flying Combat - Giant Falcon
4) Sneaky flier - Owl
5) Combat Swim - Giant Octopus
6) Travel Bird - trumpeter swan
7) Travel Swim - Narwhale

What kind of bill is the PC looking at?

Harvesting trophies section of the UW book.

Trophy Weight for hides:
Tiny 1 lb.
Small 1d4 lbs.
Medium 2d6 lbs.
Large 6d6 lbs.

Trophy Value by CR:
1 50 gp
2 100 gp
3 150 gp
4 200 gp
5 300 gp
6 400 gp
7 500 gp
8 650 gp
9 850 gp
10 1,000 gp
11 1,400 gp
12 1,800 gp
13 2,300 gp
14 3,000 gp
15 3,900 gp
16 5,000 gp
17 6,400 gp
18 8,000 gp
19 10,500 gp
20 13,000 gp

EDIT:
#1 650 gp
#2 12.5 gp
#3 100 gp
#4 16.6 gp
#5 650 gp
#6 16.6 gp
#7 150 gp
total = 1595.7 gp

weight = 24d6 + 1d4 +2 lbs.

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Considering how cheap mundane materials are compared to magical items i'm going to say it really doesn't matter.


These dry dissertations are not what was promised by the thread's title.

(Where are the succubus-grapplers when you need them?)


If I wear a live animal, does that count as wearing the skin?


Matthew Downie wrote:
If I wear a live animal, does that count as wearing the skin?

Depends. Did you Hastily Don the animal or did you take the time to don it normally? ;)


Actually it used a Swallow Whole attack; I'm trying to persuade my GM this will work before I get digested.


Matthew Downie wrote:
Actually it used a Swallow Whole attack; I'm trying to persuade my GM this will work before I get digested.

An awakened animal with 12 levels of gingerbread witch?


Or just a normal animal that swallowed a Witch that is trying to break out by unique means.


Matthew Downie wrote:
Actually it used a Swallow Whole attack; I'm trying to persuade my GM this will work before I get digested.

I'd just use a Tree Token.

A Large Tree that's 60 ft. tall is more likely to break free than a hex requiring an Animal hide.


Each time I see this title, there's a moment I wonder if it's about how Seoni and Alahazra dress, or some other topic about revealing clothing.

I know it's not, but there's still the confused moment before I remember.

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