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4 armed unchained monk???????


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If a kasatha or a custom race has 4 arms, does the unchained monk ability that states " There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed." allow the kasatha or custom race to attack with all 4 arms at no penalty? Asking for a friend thanks.


Yes, but this does not give them any more attacks than a monk with two arms... or for that matter a monk with no arms. It just means that every attack they do get has more options.


Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
Yes, but this does not give them any more attacks than a monk with two arms... or for that matter a monk with no arms. It just means that every attack they do get has more options.

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Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
Yes, but this does not give them any more attacks than a monk with two arms... or for that matter a monk with no arms. It just means that every attack they do get has more options.

Okay but also explain this

Multiweapon Fighting (Combat)
This multi-armed creature is skilled at making attacks with multiple weapons.

Prerequisites: Dex 13, three or more hands.
Benefit: Penalties for fighting with multiple weapons are reduced by –2 with the primary hand and by –6 with off hands.
Normal: A creature without this feat takes a –6 penalty on attacks made with its primary hand and a –10 penalty on attacks made with all of its off hands. (It has one primary hand, and all the others are off hands.) See Two-Weapon Fighting in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
Special: This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat for creatures with more than two arms.


This should probably be in the Rules forum :)


Atalius wrote:
This should probably be in the Rules forum :)

Whoops sorry didn't know that existed


Extra limbs don't allow you to make extra attacks with weapons in Pathfinder (sort of), the number of attacks you can make is defined by your BAB (and for an unchained monk by Flurry Blows which adds additional attacks). Although, two weapon fighting (or multi weapon fighting in the case of a creature with more than 2 arms) can modify this further.

The line "no such thing as an off-hand attack" was simply added to tell you that you add your full strength modifier to each attack.

It's also important to note that unarmed strikes count as manufactured weapons, not natural attacks (for most things, except monks get an ability that let them count unarmed strikes as natural attacks for certain things, like the spell Magic Fang).


Jolken Jenkins wrote:
Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
Yes, but this does not give them any more attacks than a monk with two arms... or for that matter a monk with no arms. It just means that every attack they do get has more options.

Okay but also explain this

Multiweapon Fighting (Combat)
This multi-armed creature is skilled at making attacks with multiple weapons.

Prerequisites: Dex 13, three or more hands.
Benefit: Penalties for fighting with multiple weapons are reduced by –2 with the primary hand and by –6 with off hands.
Normal: A creature without this feat takes a –6 penalty on attacks made with its primary hand and a –10 penalty on attacks made with all of its off hands. (It has one primary hand, and all the others are off hands.) See Two-Weapon Fighting in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
Special: This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat for creatures with more than two arms.

Yes, but a monk isn't using the TWf feats. it is using flurry, which is basically simulated TWF rather than regular TWF, and it was never designed with multilimbed races in mind.

Honestly, since you can use your legs, head, and but to attack, but you still only get the one-two style flurry, then I am going to guess that it has no effect.

You might find more luck trying this with brawlers, since their ability is more explicitly 'just TWF'.


Kasatha can do 4 unarmed attacks using multi weapon fighting, but they get no benefit from flurry.

Scarab Sages

I just learned this in a different thread the other day. The Unchained Monk moved the line about never having an offhand with an Unarmed Attack out of Flurry. It is now under Unarmed Strike. So it would appear that, when making an Unarmed Strike using TWF, an Unchained Monk's Unarmed Strike is not considered an off hand attack for the purposes of strength bonus to damage.

For the Chained Monk, that language was in the Flurry of Blows ability, and only applied there. That's not the case for Unchained.


Jolken Jenkins wrote:
Atalius wrote:
This should probably be in the Rules forum :)
Whoops sorry didn't know that existed

No problem, welcome to the forums :)


lemeres wrote:
Jolken Jenkins wrote:
Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
Yes, but this does not give them any more attacks than a monk with two arms... or for that matter a monk with no arms. It just means that every attack they do get has more options.

Okay but also explain this

Multiweapon Fighting (Combat)
This multi-armed creature is skilled at making attacks with multiple weapons.

Prerequisites: Dex 13, three or more hands.
Benefit: Penalties for fighting with multiple weapons are reduced by –2 with the primary hand and by –6 with off hands.
Normal: A creature without this feat takes a –6 penalty on attacks made with its primary hand and a –10 penalty on attacks made with all of its off hands. (It has one primary hand, and all the others are off hands.) See Two-Weapon Fighting in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
Special: This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat for creatures with more than two arms.

Yes, but a monk isn't using the TWf feats. it is using flurry, which is basically simulated TWF rather than regular TWF, and it was never designed with multilimbed races in mind.

Honestly, since you can use your legs, head, and but to attack, but you still only get the one-two style flurry, then I am going to guess that it has no effect.

You might find more luck trying this with brawlers, since their ability is more explicitly 'just TWF'.

Good idea. Also, if you can play a Kasatha, and you want to play a Monk, you might consider playing a Monk Archetype that doesn't get Flurry of Blows, since you don't need FoB to to get multiple attacks. Maybe you could be a Kasatha Tetori who is a good Grappler and a good Striker, and totally dominate MMA tournaments! Maybe you could wear Armor, since you don't have to 2WF naked like Monks, do.

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Duplicate threads have been merged.


Maneuver Master?

Flurry of Maneuvers just gives you free Combat Maneuver attempts whenever you make a full attack. Nothing says or implies that you cannot also Multi-weapon fight. So you get your 4 unarmed strikes + Iteratives + (1 to 3) free standard action combat maneuvers.

Basically, Flurry of Blows blows for you. Find something to replace it and take Multi-weapon fighting.

Master of Many Styles could also be quite devastating.

Dark Archive

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
Yes, but this does not give them any more attacks than a monk with two arms... or for that matter a monk with no arms. It just means that every attack they do get has more options.

Correct

If you were a disembodied skull (Morte from Planescape:Torment), you would get the same number of attacks with the same damage type and die as a Hecatoncheires (the 100-handed guys from Greek myth).

The flavor would be different of course. It would be lots of headbutts vs lots of punches, but mechanically, its the same. You get X attacks that deal X bludgeoning damage.

If you were to use a Monk weapon, you would change the type and die to whatever that weapon uses.

Because of that, a two-handed weapon is superior as you get 1 1/2 STR bonus vs the normal amount.


Razata wrote:


Because of that, a two-handed weapon is superior as you get 1 1/2 STR bonus vs the normal amount.

Nope.

Flurry of Blows wrote:
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands.

Grand Lodge

toastedamphibian wrote:
Nope.

Actually, yup.

Unchained monk flurry doesn't work as TWFing and thus doesn't have that text so it's a non-issue. They get 1.5x str with a 2-handed weapon.

And the OP specifically mentioned Unchained.

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