Looking for spells such as Prayer that can lower an enemy's saves. Cloud of seasickness I guess would be one but the problem is it allows a save which kind of sucks. Enervate would be another one. Any other good suggestions?
Broad question 'cause there's tons, any particular application and level? Bestow curse is a classic.
The problem is with bestow curse and others is that they also require a save. A witch can just sack your saves regardless if you make a save. Is there a high level Prayer or equivalent?
Make friends with a Witch!
Burrowing Shot is also a nice save debuff that doesn't allow a save against itself, though it takes a few feats for either yourself or an ally to acquire.
Make friends with a Witch!
Burrowing Shot is also a nice save debuff that doesn't allow a save against itself, though it takes a few feats for either yourself or an ally to acquire.
unfortunately no witches in this group. I'm a witch in my other campaign and it is phenomenal. I can't imagine not debuffing before dropping my SOS spells anymore. I don't know how wizards, clerics, etc do it. The chance of enemy successfully saving and you losing your spell are too great. I like that, evil eye -4 to saves then drop a SOS or Misfortune first if you truly wanna guarantee the kill. Getting off track here lol is there a better higher level version of Prayer? I believe they had one in 3.5 but maybe not here, there should be.
Would Bane and Prayer stack to give my enemies -2 total to saves? Just found that one.
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Bane and Prayer both offer saves.
Cause Fear is one that works at low levels. Even if the opponent saves, they are shaken for a round.