Slashing Grace and Shields


Rules Questions


I have a sex slayer who uses an Aldori Dueling Sword and a heavy wooden shield. Just getting to being able to get Dex to damage with Slashing Grace--

But, it specifically cuts off from using this without a free hand.

I know there is Two Weapon Grace, but this character doesn't actually want to attack with his shield, just use it for the AC.

I know I can get there with 6 feats and taking a -4 penalty to attacks (weapon focus, weapon finesse, Slashing grace, two weapon fighting, two weapon grace, improved shield bash) which I could get to at 6th level, but I still have a few questions.

Could I apply Dex to damage and a shield bonus in a round I don't use both attacks (i.e. don't shield bash such as a charge or standard attack)?

Is there any order of taking the feats that opens up Dex to damage while holding a shield and not shield bashing?

Thanks!


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A what slayer?

The easiest way to use slashing grace with a shield is to use a buckler, not a heavy shield. This doesn't count as using the hand so slashing grace should work.


You can use a buckler to get shield AC that doesn't interfere with slashing grace. But just holding something shuts off slashing grace, so holding a potion you never drink, or wearing a shield. But other than that you're out of luck.

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Can't say I'm familiar with that archetype...

It looks like your options here are:

1: Two-Weapon Grace
2: Three levels of Unchained Rogue
3: The agile weapon property
or 4: Ditching the shield.

I personally recommend 4, but you do you. Also, just to make sure: that is a darkwood shield, right? Because you take your shield's armor check penalty as a penalty to attack rolls with Weapon Finesse.


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Nathanael Love wrote:
sex slayer

That sounds painful and is taking dirty trick WAY too far. I mean you just don't shoot someone there...

As to the OP question: "Three levels of Unchained Rogue". Doing so opens up another issue though; you can get two handed damage with the sword now so you have to decide is you want 1.5 damage or a shield.

1/2 elf [Ancestral Arms], Tengu and human [Military Tradition] let you start off proficient with the sword at 1st level.


graystone wrote:
Nathanael Love wrote:
sex slayer

That sounds painful and is taking dirty trick WAY too far. I mean you just don't shoot someone there...

As to the OP question: "Three levels of Unchained Rogue". Doing so opens up another issue though; you can get two handed damage with the sword now so you have to decide is you want 1.5 damage or a shield.

1/2 elf [Ancestral Arms], Tengu and human [Military Tradition] let you start off proficient with the sword at 1st level.

Ohhh boy on the typo fail.

A Dex slayer.

He's a Tengu (so Aldori Dueling Sword proficiency for free) and took weapon focus at first, Slashing grace at 3rd, and the finesse rogue rogue talent at 2nd.

I really don't want to waste 3 levels dipping into a different class since this is a PFS character and you basically only get to 11. . .

Yes, he has mitral chain shirt and a darkwood shield so I've got my total armor check down to 0.


If unchained rogue isn't an option, you're stuck with the Two-Weapon Grace route for the low, low cost of -4 to hit. Or you can lose 1 AC and use a buckler.

Honestly if you insist on a heavy/light shield, you lose less if you take 3 levels of rogue, only -1 hit, and you can retrain 2nd level finesse rogue and use all the feats you'd have used on something different.


Autocorrect strikes again... at least I hope that's the case.

But yeah, Slashing Grace doesn't work with shields except bucklers. To be completely honest, I consider heavy shields underpowered. They come with a whole slew of downsides related to being unable to use the hand they occupy, but only get a mere +1 AC over the buckler/light shield.


It's even worse. . . apparently two weapon grace is not legal in PFS so that's completely out.

Looks like my best best is Agile Weapon enhancement, since it IS legal and requires only some gold instead of any feats, so that opens up at least 2 feats for me now, potentially all if I decide not to do shield bashing (but shield bashing still seems like a lot of fun).

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