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What alignment best fits this character?


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To every action, there is a consequence. Drink too much grog, wake up without your coin purse. Have a one-night stand with a flirtatious young sailor, become pregnant. Cut an artery, watch as life ebbs away. Such is how the gods made the world. -Andross Haid

Alright, I'm creating a Vivisectionist Alchemist and I'm fully embracing the flavor! My character is a young ship's doctor (playing in the Skulls and Shackles AP), but he has been molded by his experiences growing up in Cheliax and by his mentor, another Vivisectionist.

The character believes in natural laws that govern the way the world works, only he thinks they build beyond simple things like gravity and electricity. He believes he can discover these laws, and that the discovery of these laws is worth any sacrifice. The best way to figure out how the body works, for example, is to experiment on it, to find new ideas about how to make it better - or to make it stop working.

His aim through his research is to learn how to enhance himself. He's kind of a worshiper of Irori, in that he believes there is a path to godhood by understanding the world, but he believes its more through intellect than through enlightenment.

So, what alignment would this be? I'm thinking he could be LE, but I can see arguments for NE and LN as well.


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I'd say true neutral. Lots of amoral gods of knowledge are neutral, like Brigh, Nethys, and Pharasma. The laws of nature or karma don't have an alignment. They just are.


Not enough information to make a judgement. Your statement:

"The best way to figure out how the body works, for example, is to experiment on it, to find new ideas about how to make it better - or to make it stop working."

You also state he thinks, "the discovery of these laws is worth any sacrifice." Any?

How does this relate to experimenting on others? Does the PC think the potential of discovery is too valuable to consider the freedom, life and limb of his subject? Or does he avoid what would be called victimization in favor of only experimenting on himself? Or does he make it a point to experiment only on the dead? And if so - does he take the wishes of the deceased or their loved ones into account, or shrug them off?

All of these are class-specific indicators to help ID your PC's alignment.


LN or LE, honestly.


Sounds CE to me. Willing to make "any sacrifice" in his search for personal power is neither lawful or good.


Lawful evil. Growing up in chelliax, those were probably the alignments of your mentors. Just starting out. I don't know the rules on changing alignment in your campaign, but based on the experiences you have with your party and the story, and given that it is important enough for a post, I'd expect it to be revisited.


Sociopathic/Amoral, so in the grid, N by NE.
(Nuetral with evil tendencies, to Nuetral Evil fully)
He could be a Khyton influenced Lawful to Lawful Evil. His mindset does seem very Khytonish, but they are an oddish fit in the allignment mess.

In Arduin he would have been Amoral to Amoral Evil most likely.

He certainly does not fit the Devil mindset, so in Cheliax he could probably "pass" but he would still be the odd man.


This is case where there is insufficient information to go on in order to come to a conclusion.

Contrary to what many people seem to believe, simply being from Cheliax doesn't make someone Capital E Evil by default.

Define what he believes by "worth any sacrifice?" Is he going out and kidnapping people and murdering them to learn about things? Is he letting patients who it is his job to keep alive die so he gets more cadavers to study? Is he stealing organs out of the people he treats in order to see what happens to them afterward?

Is he vivisecting captives? Is he killing them or does he fix them back up afterward?


Actually sounds rather heretical to the bits of the philosophy of Irori that I have been able to find -- I wouldn't expect this character to fit within the zone of alignments officially acceptable to Irori. Better watch out for Iroran Inquisitors . . . although I haven't heard of anyone running into one, so maybe they are few and far enough in between (especially in both Cheliax and the Shackles) to be able to get away with this.

Judging from the thumbnail sketch of the original post, I would tentatively place this character on the Lawful side of Neutral Evil.

Edit: Oh and by the way, while this character would be a bit odd for Cheliax (actually sounds more fitting for Nidal), this character would definitely fit into Hell's Vengeance . . . . Oops, already in Skull & Shackles -- I guess that means that this character could be the mentor for another Vivisectionist Alchemist who takes things up in Hell's Vengeance.


Sounds like Coidzor is from chelliax. True, upbringing doesn't completely dictate morals, but it has an overwhelmingly strong influence on them. Sure there are a Drizzit or two, or resistance in Chelliax, but there would be a good reason for it.


Kir'Eshe wrote:
Sounds like Coidzor is from chelliax. True, upbringing doesn't completely dictate morals, but it has an overwhelmingly strong influence on them. Sure there are a Drizzit or two, or resistance in Chelliax, but there would be a good reason for it.

Not everyone in Cheliax is raised to be evil. Especially amongst the common folk.

Isgeri orphanages? You bet your ass. Nobles strongly aligned with House Thrune? Yeah, obviously. Everyone, though, is just flanderization.


A Vivisectionist Alchemist is not common folk. His influences were probably status quo for chellax rulers. Maybe he had a common girlfriend that was good, or an uncle outside of aristocracy. The background given, my character would assume Lawful evil until proven otherwise.

He's kind of a racist c*nt though.


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Coidzor wrote:
Not everyone in Cheliax is raised to be evil.

Of course not. I'm sure some of them were born evil or learned it their own. :P


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NE. It to me represents Power at any Cost or in this case knowledge at any cost. Definitely south of neutral given his willingness to kill for knowledge. As others have pointed out the pursuit of knowledge is neither chaotic nor lawful. That axis would best be decided by factors not yet given about how he goes about discovering these laws. Also pointing out most of Cheliax is neutral not evil


In answer to questions raised:

He's definitely been experimenting on himself and others. For example, if he knows a sailor will lose an arm, he might test which nerves control which parts of the hand before cutting off the entire arm. He's had to keep his experiments under cover, since he was in the Cheliaxian Navy, but if given the chance he would vivisect prisoners or captured monsters. He wouldn't particularly care if they lived or died afterwards, unless it was important to his research.

I'd kind of like him to be lawful evil, as I think I can justify that more in a pirate campaign. What could I change about his actions or philosophy to push him more in that direction?


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Consider encouraging your group to abandon the alignment system altogether. The group I play with did and it's a far better game for it.


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graystone wrote:
Coidzor wrote:
Not everyone in Cheliax is raised to be evil.
Of course not. I'm sure some of them were born evil or learned it their own. :P

All I'm saying is that if it were just as much fun to torture LE people as it is to torture innocents, the Devils and Kytons would never leave home.

Raithe000 wrote:
I'd kind of like him to be lawful evil, as I think I can justify that more in a pirate campaign. What could I change about his actions or philosophy to push him more in that direction?

You want him to be LE? Then make him to be LE and then play him as LE.

Here's a great resource on the subject of handling being LE.


Coidzor wrote:
All I'm saying is that if it were just as much fun to torture LE people as it is to torture innocents, the Devils and Kytons would never leave home.

LE people can't be innocent? How LE of you... ;)


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I think pretty much everyone agrees that you have the evil thing going pretty well.

To be lawful, you need to basically also embrace a philosophy of order and structure. This usually includes things like a personal code (not just any code, but a code that is inherently lawful) and respect for authority and keeping the basic 'rules' of civilization.


Neutral Evil

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