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Dinosaurs and Drow


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Hello everyone! I'd like to ask the community about the two kind of critters in the title. Namely which Adventure Path, or Module features them as important elements?

Do we have drow characters, machinations, or anything drow-related, outside Second Darkness? Or is the whole Drow stuff is too much of a Drizzt (and hence WotC) related shenanigan that the good Paizo staff leaves it to them?

Also, do we have APs or modules with lots of dinos? I guess they were featured in Serpent's Skull, given the general location and theme of that AP, but I didn't read it yet. Anything else?


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... so are you suggesting that you'd want to play D&D - drow and dinosaurs?

... I'llletmyselfout


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Tacticslion wrote:

... so are you suggesting that you'd want to play D&D - drow and dinosaurs?

... I'llletmyselfout

Weeell, I actually like the idea, but no, I was just curious which Pathfinder stories (APs, modules, tales, etc.) featured either of them, aside from the mentioned obvious ones, since they seem to be rather unused in Pathfinder. I mean, for example drow were featured in multiple supplements, but I can't recall stories, which they took even a mildly important place (or at all), aside from Second Darkness and I wondered whether it's cause is because the drow department is one of WotC-s cash-cows, so the Paizo folks lave that to them, out of courtesy and camaraderie, or just Paizo isn't interested in them that much, or doesn't want to feature them much, because of not wanting to turn drow into anything but a boogeymen.

Dinosaurs are just cool and I was just curious about the same, ie. which stories featured them?

Edit: I just realized your pun... Sorry, it's late over there. Well done sir, well done. :)


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PMárk wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:

... so are you suggesting that you'd want to play D&D - drow and dinosaurs?

... I'llletmyselfout

Weeell, I actually like the idea, but no, I was just curious which Pathfinder stories (APs, modules, tales, etc.) featured either of them, aside from the mentioned obvious ones, since they seem to be rather unused in Pathfinder. I mean, for example drow were featured in multiple supplements, but I can't recall stories, which they took even a mildly important place (or at all), aside from Second Darkness and I wondered whether it's cause is because the drow department is one of WotC-s cash-cows, so the Paizo folks lave that to them, out of courtesy and camaraderie, or just Paizo isn't interested in them that much, or doesn't want to feature them much, because of not wanting to turn drow into anything but a boogeymen.

Dinosaurs are just cool and I was just curious about the same, ie. which stories featured them?

Edit: I just realized your pun... Sorry, it's late over there. Well done sir, well done. :)

Well, they don't appear much because they've already written the drow as almost exclusive to the Darklands. Unless an adventure is set in the Darklands, they're pretty much out of the running by default. And even in the Darklands, they have to compete with duergar and urdefhans and all the other antagonistic races down there, many of whom are very interesting in their own right and don't have as much of the baggage of WotC coloring your expectations.

Besides, keeping their appearances relatively fewer means less temptation to turn every other drow into Drizzt.


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Book 5 of Shattered Star has a Drow faction in one area. Aside from Second Darkness, that's all that I can recall.


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Yup, the Drow are really only featured in Second Darkness. They are all, by definition, bad guys.

There are some triceratops with aliens wielding space lasers on them in Iron Gods, but that's the only dinosaurs I'm familiar with in published material (that I've read).


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Leingod wrote:
PMárk wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:

... so are you suggesting that you'd want to play D&D - drow and dinosaurs?

... I'llletmyselfout

Weeell, I actually like the idea, but no, I was just curious which Pathfinder stories (APs, modules, tales, etc.) featured either of them, aside from the mentioned obvious ones, since they seem to be rather unused in Pathfinder. I mean, for example drow were featured in multiple supplements, but I can't recall stories, which they took even a mildly important place (or at all), aside from Second Darkness and I wondered whether it's cause is because the drow department is one of WotC-s cash-cows, so the Paizo folks lave that to them, out of courtesy and camaraderie, or just Paizo isn't interested in them that much, or doesn't want to feature them much, because of not wanting to turn drow into anything but a boogeymen.

Dinosaurs are just cool and I was just curious about the same, ie. which stories featured them?

Edit: I just realized your pun... Sorry, it's late over there. Well done sir, well done. :)

Well, they don't appear much because they've already written the drow as almost exclusive to the Darklands. Unless an adventure is set in the Darklands, they're pretty much out of the running by default. And even in the Darklands, they have to compete with duergar and urdefhans and all the other antagonistic races down there, many of whom are very interesting in their own right and don't have as much of the baggage of WotC coloring your expectations.

Besides, keeping their appearances relatively fewer means less temptation to turn every other drow into Drizzt.

Thanks. So it's more-or-less as I thought. I could totally understand them not wanting to step on WotC's toes with abundantly using drow, or just not liking them, or not wanting to really picture them as anything other than Darklands critters. It's a totally legit approach and reasons, I'm just a bit sad, because I like them and their story in Golarion is quite nice.

Honestly, drow are one of the very few points, where I'm preferring FR to Golarion, simply because of their expansion from the original lore and becoming a "player race", thus, more versatiloe and intersting to me and also because I prefer the spider-y aesthetics, because it's very cool and sleek. PF drow always seemed a bit strange with the adorned-by-leering-demon-faces-and-somewhat-bulky armor and weapons. But anyway, I like their story in PF pretty much, so I'd be rather happy to see them more. Oh well, that's life.


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You might want to check out Starfinder drow!


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(They are nothing like FR drow, but they're also different from Golarian drow.)


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Hmm, will do, thanks!

Grand Lodge

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Tacticslion wrote:

... so are you suggesting that you'd want to play D&D - drow and dinosaurs?

... I'llletmyselfout

Drowosaurs.

You're welcome.

-Skeld


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You mean reptilian-drow from the Hollow Earth?

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I'm not sure, but Skull & Shackles might have had some dinosaurs in it. It's possible (that I'm making this up...) that there might be a visit to a place called 'Raptor Island,' and not because of it's popularity with birds of prey.

But Drow riding dinosaurs? Or Drow who are were-dinosaurs? Or Drow hunters and rangers with dinosaur companions? Or Drow charging a human fortification out of the darkest jungles herding enraged triceratops before them as wall-breakers? Or Drider-like fleshwarps with the upper-half of Drow and the lower-half of ankylosaurs?

Not to my knowledge.

But obviously these things must exist, even if Paizo hasn't written them. :)


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These all are actually really important themes in my homebrew drow campaign setting.

Basically, in the surprisingly warm region of "Jadefall" (the underworld/lowlands/etc. of the Jade Empire, though they can also be found in fair numbers in the Hellpit and the Deep Waste, and in Nirvana; they are also a significant presence in <spoiler place>, but PCs aren't supposed to know about that place) there are lots of dinosaurs that exist. These are major important mounts, pets, beasts of burden, and food-sources for the drow.

Basically, drow and dinosaurs are a major thing.

The women (and sometimes, men) who have special dinosaur mounts are called "Ringwomen Outriders" - women who are effectively rangers with special mounts and preternatural bonds to their dinosaur mounts.


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Set wrote:

I'm not sure, but Skull & Shackles might have had some dinosaurs in it. It's possible (that I'm making this up...) that there might be a visit to a place called 'Raptor Island,' and not because of it's popularity with birds of prey.

But Drow riding dinosaurs? Or Drow who are were-dinosaurs? Or Drow hunters and rangers with dinosaur companions? Or Drow charging a human fortification out of the darkest jungles herding enraged triceratops before them as wall-breakers? Or Drider-like fleshwarps with the upper-half of Drow and the lower-half of ankylosaurs?

Not to my knowledge.

But obviously these things must exist, even if Paizo hasn't written them. :)

I don't think the Skull & Shackles thing was part of the published campaign, though I might be wrong. I do remember there were dinosaurs in Serpent's Skull, though; you even captured one or two of them for an NPC as a sidequest.

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