Spear Dancing Style & Spiral Flurry


Rules Questions


Spear Dancing Spiral says "you can use any feat or ability that functions with a quarterstaff with your chosen weapon."

Am i correct in saying that this includes flurry of blows because its an "ability that functions with a quarterstaff"?
What about feats like Ascetic Style? (Provided I have a way of using both styles simultaneously)
Does weapon training (monk) count as an "ability that functions with a quarterstaff"? (Probably the one i'm least confident of.)

Liberty's Edge

Yes, Spear Dancing Spiral allows you to apply flurry of blows, ascetic style, or anything else that works with a quarterstaff to your spear dancing weapon(s).

Quarterstaff Master is another fun option for that.


Neat.

While I'm here, Spear Dancing Style says:

Quote:

"Choose one weapon from the polearm or spear fighter weapon groups. While using this style, you grant the chosen weapon the double special weapon feature, using the weapon’s normal statistics for its main-hand end and the statistics of a light mace for its off-hand end.

A weapon wielded in this way loses the brace and reach special weapon features."

1: So, if spear dancing style gives the weapon the double property/"feature", do I actually have to use it as a double weapon while in that style, or can I still use it two-handed (like you can with other weapons with the double property) while in the style?

2: If I can use it normally, and I choose to, does it retain brace and reach because it's not being wielded as a double weapon?

3:Edit: I added the weapon training (Monk) part to the first post after CBDunkerson's response, make that part question 3 because i'm not sure if that falls into the same category as abilities like flurry.

4: If Ascetic Style works with Spear Dancing Spiral, would I need to get "Ascetic Style: Quarterstaff" for it to work with the polearm/spear, or would I need to get "Ascetic Style: (Spear or Polearm)"?

5: Similarly, does "Weapon Specialisation: Quarterstaff" give +2 to damage with the polearm/spear? (Same for Weapon Focus?)


Morbid Eels wrote:

Neat.

While I'm here, Spear Dancing Style says:

Quote:

"Choose one weapon from the polearm or spear fighter weapon groups. While using this style, you grant the chosen weapon the double special weapon feature, using the weapon’s normal statistics for its main-hand end and the statistics of a light mace for its off-hand end.

A weapon wielded in this way loses the brace and reach special weapon features."

1: So, if spear dancing style gives the weapon the double property/"feature", do I actually have to use it as a double weapon while in that style, or can I still use it two-handed (like you can with other weapons with the double property) while in the style?

2: If I can use it normally, and I choose to, does it retain brace and reach because it's not being wielded as a double weapon?

Nothing about Spear Dancing Style forces you to wield the weapon as a double weapon, it just makes it possible to do so.

While the wording is a bit vague, I think it's quite safe to say you only lose brace and reach if using both ends.


I wondered a while ago could one use 'spellcasting ability' to cast Shillelagh on a Lucerne hammer.

"any feat or ability" is a bit problematic, as 'ability' is not that well defined.


Anything on questions 3, 4 and 5?


Melda wrote:

I wondered a while ago could one use 'spellcasting ability' to cast Shillelagh on a Lucerne hammer.

"any feat or ability" is a bit problematic, as 'ability' is not that well defined.

You can use the spear/polearm like staff but it doesn't become one.

If you had the ability to treat a quarterstaff you are holding as 2 sizes larger, like Shillelagh then it would work. If you have a spell or spell like ability that targets a staff then I don't think it would work.


Ignoring Melda's tangent though, anything on questions 3, 4 and 5?


Morbid Eels wrote:

1: So, if spear dancing style gives the weapon the double property/"feature", do I actually have to use it as a double weapon while in that style, or can I still use it two-handed (like you can with other weapons with the double property) while in the style?

2: If I can use it normally, and I choose to, does it retain brace and reach because it's not being wielded as a double weapon?

3:Edit: I added the weapon training (Monk) part to the first post after CBDunkerson's response, make that part question 3 because i'm not sure if that falls into the same category as abilities like flurry.

4: If Ascetic Style works with Spear Dancing Spiral, would I need to get "Ascetic Style: Quarterstaff" for it to work with the polearm/spear, or would I need to get "Ascetic Style: (Spear or Polearm)"?

5: Similarly, does "Weapon Specialisation: Quarterstaff" give +2 to damage with the polearm/spear? (Same for Weapon Focus?)

1.Feats usually open up additional options. Even if you must use the chosen weapon in accordance with the style you can still attack with a double weapon as a 2 hand weapon. Reach and brace are less clear. That being said I'm guessing RAI is it's optional. Ask your GM.

2 If you used normally it functions normally. In style Reach and Brace are probably only lost when using as a double weapon but as said above it is not clear. Spear Dancing Reach gives the reach option back even as a double weapon.
4. There is no way to get Ascetic Style: Pole Arm so it would need to be Ascetic Style: quarterstaff meaning you would need to have 2 weapon focus feats or a free style feat with no requirements from a class or ability.
5. While using Spear Dancing Style you would receive weapon specialization bonuses from quarterstaff. However the bonus would be lost if not using Spear D. style.


The wording of Spear Dancing Reach also seems to imply that you don't lose reach in the first place unless wielding as a double weapon.

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