Buying Treasure in Pathfinder Society

[Dhá Sciath]

Is there a specific ruling for how treasure/jewelry works in PFS? I know it counts as trade goods and can be sold back for what it's worth, but I can't find if you can buy it in the first place in Society, or if there are modifications to how you handle it like the other accommodations for currency so you don't have to run off to the bank or consider the physical weight of all your gold.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateEquipment/appendix.html

For example, could I buy a ethereal tapestry for for 13k and sell it back? Would I get 13k, 6.5k, or is buying/selling it not allowed in the first place?

[Starglim]

Gems and jewellery are listed with prices in the CRB on pages 400-401. I doubt you'll find a GM who disagrees that gems are valuable goods that can be exchanged almost like cash (if so, you can mock them as a true gamer and suggest they read some Conan stories). Your UE link establishes this for gems and art objects, edit(2), such as ethereal tapestries.

[Dhá Sciath]

Would you consider that a purchase, or would you consider it a just currency exchange? This is a pretty big distinction for something like Master of Trade.

[Jeff Morse]

store your funds at the lodge or diamonds. not sure what master of trade is.

[Dhá Sciath]

It is a vanity that allows you to make a purchase once each session for 10% off. If a trade good a) keeps it's full value and b) can be bought then I could buy something and sell it back for a small profit each adventure.

[Starglim]

Dhá Sciath wrote:

If a trade good a) keeps it's full value and b) can be bought then I could buy something and sell it back for a small profit each adventure.

FAQ

You would sell it back for the amount of gold that you paid for the item.

What you describe is called a Day Job check.

[Dhá Sciath]

That's fairly close to what I need, but the only technicality is that this is not infinite, because Master of Trade can only be used once each session.

[Dhá Sciath]

I found the specific statement I needed here, I just wish it wasn't so hard to find in the first place.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2p4wl?Master-of-Trade-Prestige-Award

[Diego Valdez]

I have moved this thread to the Pathfinder Society forum.

[BigNorseWolf]

Dhá Sciath wrote:

It is a vanity that allows you to make a purchase once each session for 10% off. If a trade good a) keeps it's full value and b) can be bought then I could buy something and sell it back for a small profit each adventure.

No. When you sell something back in PFS it's based on what you bought it at.

Also if you think you've found an infinitely gold scheme they absolutely do not work in pfs.

[Halek]

Is there a rule saying you have to use gold pieces to buy things? If not then you could use your gem to buy something. Your not selling it so that rule doesnt apply. And also it is not infinite on account of the 1 per session rule of master of trade. You could use it to get effectovely only 1 1/9 times the normal wealth which is not infinite so that doesnt apply.

What stops this from working?

[BigNorseWolf]

Halek wrote:

Is there a rule saying you have to use gold pieces to buy things? If not then you could use your gem to buy something. Your not selling it so that rule doesnt apply. And also it is not infinite on account of the 1 per session rule of master of trade. You could use it to get effectovely only 1 1/9 times the normal wealth which is not infinite so that doesnt apply.

What stops this from working?

At that level of rules lawyering chicanery? Probably a core rulebook to the head.

[BigNorseWolf]

"What stops this from working" is pernicious arguing. It's setting the metaargument in your favor rather than making an argument in your favor.

The question is are you allowed to do this? What are the arguments for it? What are the arguments against it?

PFS is VERY paranoid about anything that affects wealth by level. Thats why crafting is out. The ability to double almost double your wealth on hand every time is not something they allow. Especially not for 4 PP.

So No. you are not allowed to do this. Especially not trying to wriggle an interpretation through a pair of technicalities. No, there is no difference between selling and "trading for something of monetary value" no, you cannot just say you are xing not ying when x is a synonym of y.

[Halek]

Im not saying it should be done. Im sure there is a rule to stop it. I am asking if anyone already knows a rule to stop that.

[Tallow]

Anything of monetary value, whether it be gems, trade goods, spices, or Hestram's mom's wig, is equal in value to all other items of monetary value. You can't claim to be using a gem or a bag of saffron or the aforementioned wig to get extra value out if the item.

Essentially, the rule is, for PFS, is you can't make money outside of chronicle sheets and day jobs.

The reason is because nothing says you can. But specifically Mike Brock made a post about this a few years ago.

[BigNorseWolf]

ost of these gp value choices are in the name of game balance, and it's up to the GM to say "no" when a clever work-around creates an infinite wealth recipe. For Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild, it's especially important to police flagrant abuses of the expected wealth-by-level to keep a relatively even playing field.

RAI is a thing people.

I mean, 312,742,749,190,774 Times wealth by level isn't infinite so it's okay? Yeah... no.

[Wayne Bradbury]

It is specifically in the Organized Play FAQ.

Organized Play FAQ wrote:

I found a way to gain infinite money/power/etc. Is it legal?

No. While we recognize that creative players can find loopholes in the rules, any combination that would grant your character unlimited resources is not legal for use in Organized Play.

[Halek]

This doesnt grant infinite money at max it gives you 1.11 times normal wealth which is not infinite.

[BigNorseWolf]

puts on accounting visor thingy

No. It grants you 1.1 times normal wealth once every time you play from game 20 to game 73.

So if you do it from when you can get master of trade till when you get to ninth level you ge 400,000 gold pieces instead of 62,000 gold pieces. (more if you have a dayjob)

It's not infinite gold, but 6 times your gold falls under the same principle.

shreds accounting visor thingy

For Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild, it's especially important to police flagrant abuses of the expected wealth-by-level to keep a relatively even playing field.

This is not just no

This is Oh HELL NO.

[Upaynao]

Halek wrote:

This doesnt grant infinite money at max it gives you 1.11 times normal wealth which is not infinite.

You are arguing semantics. It is more wealth per level than what PFS is built around.

No dice.

Also, Hestram's mom's wig is a trade good? How much is it worth? Can't find it in UE, must be in Guide to Pathfinder Society: Murderhobo and you.