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Synthesist Armor *Effects* -- Possible? (Benevolent specifically)


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So, I am making a Synthesist Summoner to be the bodyguard of my regrettably squishy Evil High Priest BBEG. To that end, I am toying with using Combat Reflexes + Bodyguard feat to help the BBEG's AC against my worrisomely deadly PCs.

The problem is that the best way to improve Bodyguard/Aid Another is via the Benevolent Armor Enchantment, while Synthesist explicitly calls out armor as not going onto your merged form.

Is there any way around the problem? I don't care about AC or anything else, I'm just trying to see if I can the Benevolent enchantment (I know there are other ways of upping Aid Another, but none so cost-effective).


Bracers of Armor would be your best bet, but it cancels out any other form of armor, and you need to spend at least +1 in order to apply it.

Grand Lodge

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Bracers of Armor would be your best bet, but it cancels out any other form of armor, and you need to spend at least +1 in order to apply it.

As far as I know, you can't add special armor abilities to bracers of armor.


Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Bracers of Armor would be your best bet, but it cancels out any other form of armor, and you need to spend at least +1 in order to apply it.
As far as I know, you can't add special armor abilities to bracers of armor.

The hell they can't. Straight from Ultimate Equipment:

Bracers of Armor wrote:

These items appear to be wrist or arm guards, sometimes etched with symbols of protection or depictions of vigilant-looking animals. Bracers of armor surround the wearer with an invisible but tangible field of force, granting him an armor bonus of +1 to +8, just as though he were wearing armor. Both bracers of armor must be worn for the magic to be effective.

Alternatively, bracers of armor can be enchanted with armor special abilities. Special abilities usually count as additional bonuses for determining the market value of an item, but do not improve AC. Bracers of armor cannot have a modified bonus (armor bonus plus armor special ability bonus equivalents) higher than +8. Bracers of armor must have at least a +1 armor bonus to grant an armor special ability. Bracers of armor cannot have any armor special abilities that add a flat gp amount to their cost. Bracers of armor and ordinary armor do not stack. If the wearer receives a larger armor bonus from another source, the bracers of armor cease functioning and do not grant their armor bonus or their armor special abilities. If the bracers of armor grant a larger armor bonus, the other source of armor ceases functioning.

And before you say Benevolent is a flat GP cost, that's wrong too, they errata'd that in the last Errata PDF document, so it's now eligible to be applied to Bracers.

Even so, he still can't make it work because Bracers of Armor give an Armor Bonus, and Benevolent only works with Armor Enhancement Bonuses, which Bracers of Armor don't give, so it's a moot point even if it's plausible to work with.

Grand Lodge

Woah dude. Any reason you're being so hostile?

I specifically said "as far as I know". I didn't state it as a fact. I just made a comment off of what I remembered.

Sometimes these boards just seem filled with vitriol.....


Being thorough =/= being hostile.

Grand Lodge

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Being thorough =/= being hostile.

"The hell they can't" is generally a phrase delivered with some hostility.

If that wasn't your intent, then I apologize.


Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Sometimes these boards just seem filled with vitriol.....

Pretty much always. The Paizo boards are the most toxic online community I've ever participated in, and I survived Barren's Chat.


Pretty sure the old White Wolf forums could be worse. Though really, gamers are grumpy.

Anyway, thank you for the Bracers of Armor. Even if I feel a bit silly overlooking them now.


Cantriped wrote:
Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Sometimes these boards just seem filled with vitriol.....
Pretty much always. The Paizo boards are the most toxic online community I've ever participated in, and I survived Barren's Chat.

I would recommend staying away from reddit (or at least staying on the more heavily moderated parts) and 4chan.


so back to the original post. i know eidolon can have his ac be nat ac or normal armor (most pick nat ac so they can add normal armor).

why not just take a medium eidolon.and all nat ac with humanoid body (as much as possible). and after summoning the eidolon wear a normal armor on it? nothing stops a summoned eidolon from picking an armor that fit and wearing it.


zza ni wrote:

so back to the original post. i know eidolon can have his ac be nat ac or normal armor (most pick nat ac so they can add normal armor).

why not just take a medium eidolon.and all nat ac with humanoid body (as much as possible). and after summoning the eidolon wear a normal armor on it? nothing stops a summoned eidolon from picking an armor that fit and wearing it.

Eidolon wrote:
An eidolon cannot wear armor of any kind, as the armor interferes with the summoner’s connection to the eidolon.


Cantriped wrote:
Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Sometimes these boards just seem filled with vitriol.....
Pretty much always. The Paizo boards are the most toxic online community I've ever participated in, and I survived Barren's Chat.

I can understand what Darksol meant, and that his statement wasn't meant to be hurtful. I think it was an attempt to be humorous, but inflection can't be determined so easily from text and instead it came out aggressively. In response, Jurassic Pratt responded in a way that triggered an emotional response (because he called Darksol hostile). Neither person is really wrong here, but both probably could have found slightly better ways to express their points, but we're all susceptible to this sort of thing. I know it happens to me not infrequently, and it's always easier to recognize it when you're not apart of the exchange and aren't emotionally invested in the interaction.

In any event, if you think this board is toxic I feel like you haven't visited a lot of other online forums. The Paizo forum is pretty tame in my experience, for the most part. Not to say it never gets out of hand, but moderation is pretty good. Reddit is a prime example of a place that is definitely worse in terms of toxicity, but this is just my experience. I'm sorry your experience here has been poor, hopefully you will spend more time here and realize this isn't the case.


zza ni wrote:

so back to the original post. i know eidolon can have his ac be nat ac or normal armor (most pick nat ac so they can add normal armor).

why not just take a medium eidolon.and all nat ac with humanoid body (as much as possible). and after summoning the eidolon wear a normal armor on it? nothing stops a summoned eidolon from picking an armor that fit and wearing it.

Even if that was possible rules-wise, I'm sort of locked into a specific quadruped form by story/plot reasons.


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In all honesty, you're the GM. Bend the rules a little bit. You can do that, especially if it's just for one fight.

Hell, make up a new evolution that boosts his Aid Another bonus if you have to. Or change the NPC so it doesn't lose Shield Ally from the archetype. Heck, that way the PCs might have a reasonable chance of hitting the Synthesist.

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