Bloodrager / Bones Oracle VMC - Deathknight


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I know antipaladin and Undead Lord are probably staples for a deathknight, but I'm looking to build something that could be kinda like a WoW Deathknight in story - not necessarily evil, and maybe even fighting for good/redemption, just uses the profane powers.

What do you guys and gals think of a cross blooded Black Blood / Undeath Rager with Bones Oracle VMC: Raise the Dead revelation and lame curse for the free fatigue immunity later on. I'm thinking it could have the feel of a Blood or Frost DK from when they launched - heavy melee fighter with some spell ability and a temporary Undead summon every now and then.


A crossblooded bloodrager is probably a mistake. A poor Will save, -2 from the archetype (& losing the usual +2 Will save bonus in rage), and wanting to invest in 3 physical stats + Cha doesn't leave much for Wis. The lame curse means you probably won't want medium armor, which makes for more pressure to invest in Dex or Con rather than Wis. It's the sort of thing that could lead to you never succeeding on a Will save.

If you drop the crossblooded and just choose Black Blood or Undead things get easier. When you get a bonus feat at 6 pick Iron Will, both those bloodlines have it on their bonus feat lists. With few feats you're using a two-handed weapon, no contest, and probably not a reach one - you won't be able to afford Combat Reflexes to make that good.


probably be best to just go in and home brew the class instead


avr wrote:

A crossblooded bloodrager is probably a mistake. A poor Will save, -2 from the archetype (& losing the usual +2 Will save bonus in rage), and wanting to invest in 3 physical stats + Cha doesn't leave much for Wis. The lame curse means you probably won't want medium armor, which makes for more pressure to invest in Dex or Con rather than Wis. It's the sort of thing that could lead to you never succeeding on a Will save.

If you drop the crossblooded and just choose Black Blood or Undead things get easier. When you get a bonus feat at 6 pick Iron Will, both those bloodlines have it on their bonus feat lists. With few feats you're using a two-handed weapon, no contest, and probably not a reach one - you won't be able to afford Combat Reflexes to make that good.

Mithral Breastplate was the plan, and offseting the tanked Will Save with Iron Will at 6 as suggested.

Half Orc with sacred Tattoo + Fate's Favored for additional save boost

Great sword - Power Attack, Raging Vitality, Furious Focus

Stats at 1 (20pt buy) 16str 12dex 14con 8int 10wis 16cha - level 4 stat bonus to Con for raging vitality, the rest in Str.

If I had to pick one, I'd probably take black blood as the bloodline.


Makknus wrote:
avr wrote:

A crossblooded bloodrager is probably a mistake. A poor Will save, -2 from the archetype (& losing the usual +2 Will save bonus in rage), and wanting to invest in 3 physical stats + Cha doesn't leave much for Wis. The lame curse means you probably won't want medium armor, which makes for more pressure to invest in Dex or Con rather than Wis. It's the sort of thing that could lead to you never succeeding on a Will save.

If you drop the crossblooded and just choose Black Blood or Undead things get easier. When you get a bonus feat at 6 pick Iron Will, both those bloodlines have it on their bonus feat lists. With few feats you're using a two-handed weapon, no contest, and probably not a reach one - you won't be able to afford Combat Reflexes to make that good.

Mithral Breastplate was the plan, and offseting the tanked Will Save with Iron Will at 6 as suggested.

Half Orc with sacred Tattoo + Fate's Favored for additional save boost

Great sword - Power Attack, Raging Vitality, Furious Focus

Stats at 1 (20pt buy) 16str 12dex 14con 8int 10wis 16cha - level 4 stat bonus to Con for raging vitality, the rest in Str.

If I had to pick one, I'd probably take black blood as the bloodline.

What is in the Black Blood Bloodline you're wanting the most out of?

Because many of the Powers can be traded out for Primalist for a stronger character all around. There are Rage powers for immunities you can pick up or for more explosive power.

If it is just the reach you are wanting then Aberrant would be wonderful for many reasons.

1: Immunities
2: Reach
3: Saves and Tankiness- Aberrant Tumor Feat grabbing a hedgehog for +2 will saves and the protector archetype for Shield other effects. It is basically +50% HP and +2 will save in a feat at 5th level.

Other than reach the other powers are kind of just underwhelming.

16 CHA is a bit much as you really only need 14 total to cast your highest level spells. You can easily start with a 12 and grab a headband +2 CHA to cover all your casting needs.


The Irrepressible trait beats going the cliche Sacred Tattoo route on a high CHA character. You could go Dual Talent Human to better cover ability spread and even drop WIS a bit.

Blood Conduit is a great archetype for using spells offensively. Using an unarmed strike to apply Frostbite or Frigid Touch is perfect for a Death Knight theme. Rime Spell adds to the debuffing potential, and is free with Magical Lineage. Frostbite also carries into further attacks, so you can alternate between primary greatsword and Frostbite punching when you want to frost something. TWF with a sword and Frostbite fist is even possible, though maybe not with VMC feat loss.

Arcane Bloodline is just... so good.


BadBird wrote:

The Irrepressible trait beats going the cliche Sacred Tattoo route on a high CHA character. You could go Dual Talent Human to better cover ability spread and even drop WIS a bit.

Blood Conduit is a great archetype for using spells offensively. Using an unarmed strike to apply Frostbite or Frigid Touch is perfect for a Death Knight theme. Rime Spell adds to the debuffing potential, and is free with Magical Lineage. Frostbite also carries into further attacks, so you can alternate between primary greatsword and Frostbite punching when you want to frost something. TWF with a sword and Frostbite fist is even possible, though maybe not with VMC feat loss.

Arcane Bloodline is just... so good.

I love using Rime + Spellstoring Weapon and Armor. It is very Deathknight like and very strong mechanically.

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