Ravener Hunter and Oracle Mysteries


Rules Questions


Can a 7th level Ravener Hunter take magma form as his mystery? The ruling for Charged by Nature says, "She must meet the revelation’s prerequisites, using her inquisitor level as her effective oracle level to determine the revelation’s effects, and she never qualifies for the Extra Revelation feat." So does her Inquisitor level = Oracle level to qualify for that mystery? Or does it do what it says and only increases the effect of a mystery?


At 8th level, yes, you can take any revelation from your chosen mystery provided that you qualify for it using your inquisitor level as your oracle level.

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The full source, please:

Charged By Nature wrote:
Rather than having a deity patron, a ravener hunter is charged by the spirits of the Mwangi to eradicate evil wherever it appears. At 1st level, a ravener hunter chooses an oracle mystery from the following list: ancestor, battle, flame, heavens, life, lunar, nature, solar, stone, time, volcano, waves, wind, or wood. She gains one revelation from her chosen mystery. She must meet the revelation’s prerequisites, using her inquisitor level as her effective oracle level to determine the revelation’s effects, and she never qualifies for the Extra Revelation feat. The ravener hunter gains a second revelation from her chosen mystery at 8th level.
Volcano Mystery wrote:
Magma Form (Su): As a standard action, you can assume the form of a Small magma elemental, as elemental body I. You gain the same abilities as if you had chosen an earth elemental’s form, except your earth glide functions as the earth glide ability of a magma elemental. At 9th level, you can assume the form of a Medium magma elemental, as elemental body II. At 11th level, you can assume the form a Large magma elemental, as elemental body III. At 13th level, you can assume the form of a Huge magma elemental, as elemental body IV. You can use this ability once per day, but the duration is 1 hour per oracle level. You must be at least 7th level to choose this revelation.

Relevant parts bolded. I think you mean 8th level, as you cannot select Magma Form at 7th level even if you assumed Inquisitor Levels equaled Oracle levels to qualify for that revelation.

Seems pretty clear that it's advancing the effects of the revelation chosen, nothing more, and that more revelations cannot be chosen with Extra Revelation. When do class features do anything more than what they say unless its RAI or homebrew territory?

If it meant to also say that it "uses her inquisitor level as her effective oracle level for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites of revelations," then it would say it, but it can be easily understood. Check out the Rage Prophet for something that also stacks with or counts Oracle levels.

Rage Prophet wrote:
Savage Seer: A rage prophet's class level stacks with barbarian levels for determining the effect of rage powers, and with oracle levels for determining the effect of oracle revelations and his oracle's curse.

Emphasis mine. If you got to level 6 Oracle, and have 4 levels in Rage Prophet, and you took the Extra Revelation feat, you would only be able to select Revelations of 6th level or lower. If it said that Rage Prophet levels stack with Oracle levels for the purpose of selecting revelations, then you'd be able to select Revelations of 10th level or lower in the mystery list.

In fact, here's the FAQ

blahpers wrote:
At 8th level, yes, you can take any revelation from your chosen mystery provided that you qualify for it using your inquisitor level as your oracle level.

The class feature doesn't say that extra part, but it does say you have to qualify for it. Strictly written, you technically wouldn't qualify for even the 1st level Revelation you pick. From a sensible standpoint, you qualify for at least the 1st level revelations. From a class optimization standpoint, one could assume that "unwritten" bit is "implied" but that can be a slippery slope. Even the CRB Eldritch Knight makes the prerequisites bit very clear.

Eldritch Knight wrote:
Diverse Training: An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats (if he has no fighter levels, treat his eldritch knight levels as levels of fighter)

The parenthetical bit, which is explicitly stated in this class feature, is not included in Charged By Nature.

Maybe it's bad editing. Maybe it's Paizo.

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