Player wants to combine a +4 Str belt with his +2 Str / +2 Con belt. Costs?


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Quick question. The paladin in my group has a +2 Str/+2 Con belt and recently found a +4 Str belt. He's now asking, how much would it cost to combine the two to a +4 Str/+2 Con belt. I don't think the rules cover something like this but telling him he can't do this feels stupid.

So, how much would you charge for this? Adding +2 Con to the +4 Str belt would be 6000 gp so it should probably be less than this, since he's basically providing a belt which already has the desired enchantment.

I thought about 3000 gp. Does that seem reasonable? He'll also most likely have our oracle do it for him, so we're looking more at 1500 gp, which sounds about right I guess?


50% increase cost on the smaller item. If you were to add +2 Con to a +4 Str belt it would be 6000g, since the base +2 con belt is 4000g. However, the +2 Str/Con belt is worth 10,000g. The cost to add that would be 15,000g, but he already has the belt so 5,000g. I'd say he has to find someone to combine them for 5,000g and can't get his party to craft it for half cost.

The other thing to think about is how much power this belt brings. A +2/2/2 Belt is 16,000g, the same as a +4 belt to a single stat. This is like this for a reason.


Considering a +2 belt up to a +4 belt is normally 12,000, I'd say you are way off.


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As you said, adding +2 CON to the +4 STR is 6k (4k*1.5).
Changing the +2/+2 to +4 is 22k (total cost of +4/+2) - 10k (total cost of +2/+2) = 12k.

Cheaper to add the +2 to the existing +4. Then the player makes a choice to sell the other belt or keep it for potential later need. The discount you're looking to give the player is already built into the fact that they can sell the second belt.

In fact, if you add the +2 CON to the +4 STR belt for 6k, you can sell the +2/+2 belt for .5*10k=5k. 6k spent, 5k earned on the sold belt, player is only out 1k.


Valantrix1 wrote:
Considering a +2 belt up to a +4 belt is normally 12,000, I'd say you are way off.

Well, it would use up the +2/+2 belt as material, so he basically loses 10k on top of watever cost I tell him.


Combining these items is a powerful measure and you must sacrifice something. The only currency available is gold and time since the player doesn't want to sacrifice item slots.

There is an inherent cost to combining these two items that must also be factored in. Either 5000g+ cost to have it transformed or he can sell the +2 Str/Con Belt for 5k and get someone to add (other than his party) +2 Con to his +4 Belt for 6k or more. (There is a cost of time for the NPC that they should be charging for).


The cost of a belt ofphysical might (bonuses to two physical score) for a +4 to each is 20,000. The cost of a +2 to each is 5,000.

How did they arrive at this?

A belt which increases one physical score +4 by 4 is 8,000.

The belts follow the suggested pricing rules and:

8000 + 8000* 1.5 = 20,000

So, the value of a belt which gives +4 to one and +2 to another would be:
8000 + 2000 * 1.5 = 11,000

If he was to upgrade an existing belt, he pays the cost difference between the value of each.

As far as how much it costs to combine these two belts into one...

The base value of the belts is 8000gp and 5000, which is more than the projected value of this custom belt.


Claxon wrote:

The cost of a belt ofphysical might (bonuses to two physical score) for a +4 to each is 20,000. The cost of a +2 to each is 5,000.

How did they arrive at this?

A belt which increases one physical score +4 by 4 is 8,000.

The belts follow the suggested pricing rules and:

8000 + 8000* 1.5 = 20,000

So, the value of a belt which gives +4 to one and +2 to another would be:
8000 + 2000 * 1.5 = 11,000

If he was to upgrade an existing belt, he pays the cost difference between the value of each.

As far as how much it costs to combine these two belts into one...

The base value of the belts is 8000gp and 5000, which is more than the projected value of this custom belt.

EDIT: Nevermind this - I just realized you were using crafting cost, not market price. Probably need to use market price on this.


I don't think we should be using the crafting cost of belts here to figure it out. A +4 Belt to buy is 16000g and that is the price we should use.


If you weren't allowing combining belts in any way, but were allowing upgrades at standard prices (eg pay 5000gp to upgrade a 4000gp +2 Ring to a 9000gp +3 Ring) the player could sell the +2/+2 belt for 5000GP, then pay a crafter 6000gp to upgrade a belt from +4 (16,000gp shop price) to +4/+2 (22,000gp shop price using the standard pricing rules). That's a net cost to the PC of 1,000gp.

So there really isn't any reason to charge more than 1,000gp to combine the two items.


He has a +4 belt 16000(8000 sell price) and a +2/+2 belt 10000(5000 sell). A +4/+2 belt would be 22000 just off the formula and it does seem a reasonable cost. To me it seems simple enough to let him do it for 1000gp(the remaining value of selling the +2/+2 and upgrading the +4 into a +4/+2)


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Another way of saying what Dastis (and others) have said...

He owns/has:
BELT #1 belt of Strength +4 16,000gp
BELT #2 belt of Strength +2 & Constitution +2 10,000gp

He wishes to own:
belt of Strength +4 & Constitution +2 22,000gp

Turning BELT #1 into what he wants costs 6,000gp. He can sell BELT #2 for 5,000gp which means he only needs to come up with 1,000gp.


Vanykrye wrote:
Claxon wrote:

The cost of a belt ofphysical might (bonuses to two physical score) for a +4 to each is 20,000. The cost of a +2 to each is 5,000.

How did they arrive at this?

A belt which increases one physical score +4 by 4 is 8,000.

The belts follow the suggested pricing rules and:

8000 + 8000* 1.5 = 20,000

So, the value of a belt which gives +4 to one and +2 to another would be:
8000 + 2000 * 1.5 = 11,000

If he was to upgrade an existing belt, he pays the cost difference between the value of each.

As far as how much it costs to combine these two belts into one...

The base value of the belts is 8000gp and 5000, which is more than the projected value of this custom belt.

EDIT: Nevermind this - I just realized you were using crafting cost, not market price. Probably need to use market price on this.

Valid, but remember it will just literally double everything I have here so it's a very easy conversion.


+4 STR belt = 16000
add +2 DEX = +6000
add +2 CON = +6000

Total = 28,000

/2 for Crafting = 14,000


Claxon wrote:

Valid, but remember it will just literally double everything I have here so it's a very easy conversion.

Understood; I'm just thinking in terms of consistency in our discussions so people aren't going "Wait - this guy says it's x and this other guy says it's y, and one of them is twice as much! Someone is an idiot!" when we're talking about two different aspects of the same idea.

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Anguish wrote:

Another way of saying what Dastis (and others) have said...

He owns/has:
BELT #1 belt of Strength +4 16,000gp
BELT #2 belt of Strength +2 & Constitution +2 10,000gp

He wishes to own:
belt of Strength +4 & Constitution +2 22,000gp

Turning BELT #1 into what he wants costs 6,000gp. He can sell BELT #2 for 5,000gp which means he only needs to come up with 1,000gp.

This is the correct math, looking at the market price.

If you have a party crafter upgrade new BELT #1, it only costs 3,000gp, which actually nets the PC a 2,000gp profit from selling old BELT #2.


Yes, the rules on this are extremely clear in the Core Rulebook.
Upgrading your +4 str belt to also have +2 con costs 6000gp for an outside spellcaster, or your Oracle can spend 6 days doing the enchanting himself for 3000gp.

The cost of the belt itself is trivial, and subsumed in the creation of the original +4 item, whereas the layered magic is complex, and expensive. You do not start off with a 3000gp belt to make a 4000gp magic item. That's a flavorful handwave to the real cost of magic items.

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I'd let him do it for free since the new item will cost less than the items he "loses."


well the cost of adding +2 con to the +4 str belt is 6000(3000 if crafting), the current value of the +2/+2 is 10000 so he should just sell the +2/+2 belt and use the money for a crafter to add on +2 con and he makes +2000 gold

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