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Making great item crafters


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Silver Crusade

Hello everyone,

I've encountered some character options that make for great item crafters. I'd like to share those, and ask you all here if you know any more.

Thr whole point being that itwm crafting requires various feats, various skills, and various spells. I'm looking for ways a character can be as versatile as possible in this, and still be good at it.

The item creation feats:
Best thing I found here is to combine the shapeshifter level 3 bloodline power (through improved eldritch heritage, if need be) with the spell paragon surge. You'll get the relevant feat for most of the day, which makes it unnecessary to take niche feats, like forge ring, and craft staff.

The relevant skills:
Best thing I found here is the spirit ridden feat, which gives you the relevant skill for most of the day. This way, you could even forge the masterwork items to be enchanted yourself.

The spells.
Multiple things get you somewhere, nothing goes all the way.
- The Daivrat gets you everything on your own list up to level 8, and everything on other lists up to level 7.
- The spell sage wizard archetype gives you 3 level 9 spell lists all the way to the actual level 9 spells, and the bard one, for some reason. Incidentally, this is also the only way an atheist character can cast miracle.
- The rebirth psychic discipline gives one other class list (changeable per level) up to level 8.
- The pathfinder savant gives the ability to cast scrolls at character level, and a good UMD to go with it, which would enable you to at least cast everything, but at the price of scrolls.
- The skald with the expanded spell kenning feat has 5 class lists, up to level 6.

Am I missing really fantastic iptions, somewhere? I secretly hope so.


I don't remember off hand but there is a trait that reduces the cost of crafting by 5 percent of market price.


Hedge Magician (Magic), Ultimate Campaign.


Honestly, though, you're better off pumping Spellcraft rather than trying to get access to every spell list, unless you just want to make scrolls and staves or something. Most items only have one or two prerequisite spells, and Spellcraft isn't the hardest thing in the world to pump.


Dwarf Wizard with a Valet familiar is great if you are tracking crafting time.


Protector of the people gives you craft construct without any prerequisites

Leadership style feats with cooperative crafter lets you make things much faster


3rd party options has the king of item crafter: the Artisan. I hadn't thought of using paragon surge though. That'll need to be remembered for my Eldritch Scion.


A sorcerer (or better, a blood arcanist) with the Impossible bloodline can outright ignore some spell prereqs. This is probably better than gaining access to other lists.

Silver Crusade

I must have been interested in other things when I read the impossible bloodline before, because that's kinda nice!

That protector of the people feat is interesting. All nice roleplaying aside, you mainly just pay a sum of gold to get the feat.

And dwarfs do go fast! :D

Spellcraft pumping should do most of it, yeah, but spell completion items are not to be ignored. I'm still looking for ways to combine the psychic and the wizard spell list ;)

Anything else? Perhaps a feat solution that doesn't require a half-elf?


i may be miss remembering but wasn't there a prestige class that could sac a prepared spell slot to cast a spell from a scroll and have it use their caster level and not consume the scroll?


Here Here
Are 2 prestige classes that give spells from other class lists.
Search for item creation
This guide may or may not have some useful information
^

Silver Crusade

Lady-J wrote:
i may be miss remembering but wasn't there a prestige class that could sac a prepared spell slot to cast a spell from a scroll and have it use their caster level and not consume the scroll?

That would be an awesome power!

I've encountered the ability to bring scrolls to CL a few times, but not ever the ability to sacrifice spell slots to cast spells from scrolls. That would be epic!


This is (mostly) for mundane crafting, but you might want to consider the craft skill unlock. With five ranks in a craft skill and that skill unlock production is doubled. With fifteen ranks it's 20 times faster.

With that skill unlock it's not particularly difficult to be making far more crafting progress than you could with magical items.

The cooperative crafting feat on an assistant is absolutely huge. Doubled production and a +2 bonus to your skill check. And I'm fairly sure that the doubling (but not the +2 bonus) can scale up by as many assistants as the GM will allow for whatever project you're working on. (So with three assistants you're making things 4* as quickly due to the rules for adding multipliers)


Mneomic Vestment lets you cast scrolls from your list without expending them although it must be on your list. Raziman Priest archetype sorcerer lets you use divine scrolls

Silver Crusade

That mnemonic vestment is epic!

Silver Crusade

IMHO, the best crafter does not craft at all, as he leaves the task to his Valet familiar. This way, he can go adventuring while his familiars crafts full time. During down-time, master and familiar can then work together to speed up the crafting time.

For example, this is a build for a generalist wizard which is also a very effective face out of combat.

Human 10 Universalist(Arcane Crafter) Wizard / 1 Loremaster with Parrot Valet Familiar

7 14 14 19 8 13

1 Skill Focus [Linguistics]
1 Orator
1 Scribe Scroll
3 Evolved Familiar > Skilled > +8 Spellcraft
3 Craft Wondrous Items
5 Craft Magic Arms and Armors
5 Craft Wand
7 Craft Constructs
8 Skill Focus [Knowledge(Any)]
8 Loremaster > Forge Ring
9 Craft Rod
11 Craft Staff
11 Staff-like wand

The build can then continue with the Eldritch Heritage chain, in case you wanted some high level bloodline power.

If you want to invest even more on your familiar, you can go Spirit Binder, forgo Scribe Scroll and 5th/10th level bonus feats and grant 3 feats to your familiar. They could be:

1- Additional Traits to grant Spellcraft and Use Magic Device as class skills.
5- Magical Aptitude, Skill Focus [Spellcraft] or [Use Magic Device].
10- Any of the above.

which basically grant the familiar a bonus of +4 up to +14 to either skills.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Dot


Hey Viondar--I can't find a shapeshifter sorcerer with a third level power that can extend Paragon Surge. That sounds awesome, where can I get a look at it?

I've built and am currently playing a Paragon Surge crafter to great success (now level 12) and will share my build if it seems competitive with the sorcerer (mine's a transmuter wizard). A lot of love and arithmetic went into that character, I kinda hope he's not obsolete now. Not that being able to craft everything ever goes out of style.

Disclaimer: my SurgeCrafter lives in a very permissive and challenging home game environment (we're in a homebrew-infused Rappan Athuk). The DM likes us to push strong characters. We still die a lot. SurgeCrafting is obviously not a trick to be dropped on a DM without prior discussion.

Silver Crusade

Sorry, I got distracted by life...

Ehm... Here you go :)

Paragon surge fits the description. Transmutation, and 1 min/level


Evangelists of Torag can reduce crafting costs by 10%.

Torag. Though it's level 14 at the earliest.


Yup that shapechanger bloodline obsoleted my build. Very cool and powerful bloodline!


blahpers wrote:
Hedge Magician (Magic), Ultimate Campaign.

Spark of Creation from Champions of Purity does the same thing with a +1 bonus to craft.


Reduxist wrote:
blahpers wrote:
Hedge Magician (Magic), Ultimate Campaign.
Spark of Creation from Champions of Purity does the same thing with a +1 bonus to craft.

since its not a trait bonus you could potentially use both


There's also the Eldritch Smith Trait, so long as the item is stone or metal.

But all three Traits are in the Magic category, and without DM fiat, you may only have one Trait from a single category.


So with a cost reducing trait and as an evangelist of Torag, you can reduce the cost of crafting by at least 15%. How else can we add onto that reduction?


I'm not sure there is anything else made by Paizo that can do it. In the territory of other 3pp companies though Frugal Crafting(feat) and Artisan(Class) can likely get added in.


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber
Viondar wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
i may be miss remembering but wasn't there a prestige class that could sac a prepared spell slot to cast a spell from a scroll and have it use their caster level and not consume the scroll?

That would be an awesome power!

I've encountered the ability to bring scrolls to CL a few times, but not ever the ability to sacrifice spell slots to cast spells from scrolls. That would be epic!

The Razmiran Priest (false priest) archetype for sorcerers does this with divine spell scrolls. And yes it is very powerful.

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