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Ventnor wrote:
evilnerf wrote:

I think it'd be cool if having brighter colors was associated with being tougher, kinda like tree frogs and poison.

So the women are more colorful, naturally, and sometimes men wear flamboyant colored armor to look more dangerous on the battlefield.

The implication being, "I don't care if you can see me! I'm still gonna reduce you to a smear on the wall!"

I'm going to use this theme when designing my 01 SFS character. Flying around with a jetpack and a chainsaw sword is way more fun when you've got colorful armor to wear. Plus, I like the idea of playing as a larger, stronger female if only to have a chance at shouting "Fight like a woman!" at my comrades. She's the sole survivor of a merc unit and with the 'hard reset' of the Society she wants to rise to the top as the number one Starfinder.

As for a slightly more topic-relevant character idea, I'm playing a musician host Shirren in my 03 slot. With their focus on individualism, I can imagine various Shirren having their own general terms for the genders. This character will mostly refer to themselves by some nickname or another, or by their Icon stage name, DJ Trinity. (Cause it's my third character. Of a three gendered race. And it's the third gender from the human/biological perspective. DJ Trinity. Subtlety is not my specialty.) I'm looking forward to seeing what people make of this race.

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Violet Hargrave wrote:
Meanwhile, notably absent are any mentions of Gozreh (the core 20 deity with gender fluidity) and Erastil (I'd be curious where he sits on quite a lot of things, but notably lashuntas breaking with traditional social structures).

Erastil would be "Kids, these days" and eyes rolling. But while he is a strong proponent of tradition and continuity, he is still a LG god and will jump to help any of those "kids" if they need it


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Violet Hargrave wrote:

I picked up my copy of Starfinder over GenCon, and as I read through it, I'm pondering ways to throw characters around who aren't all cis and straight. Let's start with a quick look through the races!

Androids- Specific thought was given to the notion that a race that doesn't reproduce sexually is going to have a whole lot of agender, genderfluid, and non-binary people, and this is even reflected in the iconic operative. A

Humans- Eh, they're humans. Iconic is explicitly a lesbian though, so that's a good precedent. B+

Kasathas- Nothing really jumps out at me here since they're basically just humans-with-more-arms, but there is a note about barely perceivable gender differences which... none of the artists seem to have caught. C-

Lashuntas- If I am reading between the lines correctly, roughly half of all lashuntas are now explicitly trans, and there is specific language differentiating a given lashunta's actual gender vs. their dimorphic body type. I am absolutely delighted to see that, even if I don't necessarily think the designers meant to do it. A+

Shirrens- Between having 3 genders, and a culture explicitly based around celebrating individualism, this is hands down the race I'm most excited about in the specific context of making queer as hell characters, but also the one with the greatest need to clarify a hell of a lot of things first. Like, what is the whole pronoun situation here? If I had to guess, I'd say males go he/him, hosts go she/her (specific reference in the stat block to 'queens' and all), and females have their own pronoun set going on. This is something that really needs to be sorted out officially before anyone can really properly write about any non-male shirren NPCs.

Also having 3 genders calls for a lot of specialized terminology for attraction. If you're straight, or ace, that's fine. A certain percentage of them being trisexual is a given. If you're specifically only interested in others of your own gender, that's manageable. But, what if you're, say, a host who's...

I'd love for you to look at some material I'm writing for my cyberpunk game (The Pathfinder/Starfinder edition of Interface Zero).

Transhumanism is a major theme of cyberpunk, and I'm wanting to make sure transgender people are given the respect they deserve. Interface Zero isn't a magical setting, nor is it set so far into the future that transitioning between gender/species is an overnight process. I don't want to make light of the numerous issues transgender people face, so I think you (and anyone who might be transgender, or questioning) could give me (a white, male cis christian) some much-needed perspective.

Thanks for your time.

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The Raven Black wrote:


Erastil would be "Kids, these days" and eyes rolling. But while he is a strong proponent of tradition and continuity, he is still a LG god and will jump to help any of those "kids" if they need it

Boy, I think this would actually be the least of Erastil's concerns. The idea of "Home and Hearth" is basically an anachronism, and tradition has long since been cast aside for the sake of progress.

The over populated hive cities have to be abhorrent to him and the paving over of the wilderness on worlds across the galaxy has probably broken his heart.

I think Erastil isn't a major deity because no one really sees any value in any of his tenants. He was an old fogey back in the olden times, at this time... I doubt anyone even gives a flying fig what he thinks.

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evilnerf wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:


Erastil would be "Kids, these days" and eyes rolling. But while he is a strong proponent of tradition and continuity, he is still a LG god and will jump to help any of those "kids" if they need it

Boy, I think this would actually be the least of Erastil's concerns. The idea of "Home and Hearth" is basically an anachronism, and tradition has long since been cast aside for the sake of progress.

The over populated hive cities have to be abhorrent to him and the paving over of the wilderness on worlds across the galaxy has probably broken his heart.

I think Erastil isn't a major deity because no one really sees any value in any of his tenants. He was an old fogey back in the olden times, at this time... I doubt anyone even gives a flying fig what he thinks.

On the other hand, for a people ripped away from their home, the old traditions might be stronger than ever.


evilnerf wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:


Erastil would be "Kids, these days" and eyes rolling. But while he is a strong proponent of tradition and continuity, he is still a LG god and will jump to help any of those "kids" if they need it

Boy, I think this would actually be the least of Erastil's concerns. The idea of "Home and Hearth" is basically an anachronism, and tradition has long since been cast aside for the sake of progress.

The over populated hive cities have to be abhorrent to him and the paving over of the wilderness on worlds across the galaxy has probably broken his heart.

I think Erastil isn't a major deity because no one really sees any value in any of his tenants. He was an old fogey back in the olden times, at this time... I doubt anyone even gives a flying fig what he thinks.

I don't think this is true at all. He's still the god of agriculture. Even if farmers are dramatically diminished as a percentage of population, someone's still growing the food. Likewise, Absalom Station isn't the whole of existence. There's colonies out on the frontiers where small communities are probably still the norm. Castrovel is also specifically noted for preserving a lot of wild space. Likewise, unless something has radically changed in basic conceptions of society and even biology, I doubt it's true that ""Home and Hearth" is basically an anachronism". The family may look a little different, and deviation from the norm may be more common, but there's still going to be families.


The trouble is that Erastil's idea and image of 'family' has always been rooted strongly in traditional roles and images. The family looking a little different is something He's always frowned on, and his worshippers tended to ostracise those who deviated from the norm. And unlike Golarion, where you had to actually go to Taldan or Ustalav or Cheliax to be exposed to Taldan or Ustalavi or Chelish culture, even remote villages will be exposed to the culture of Absalom station within a month or two. Information and entertainment are flowing in much more easily than pre-Gap, so even isolated farming communities are likely to know about the latest political trends (access to the planetary infosphere being nigh-instantaneous, and messages taking at most 6 days to hit Absalom station and 30 to get a reply from there.) so even if they mostly shake their heads at the excesses of the Station they'll accept that it's the cultural centre of humanity, and likely have family members or close friends who live or work in or for Absalom.

Frankly, I'm kind of curious what Irori thinks of the serums at this point. Ideal form in a (pair of) bottles? That removes a major hurdle for prospective worshippers with poor genetics.


Aerotan wrote:
The family looking a little different is something He's always frowned on, and his worshippers tended to ostracise those who deviated from the norm.

I think you might be reading a little too much maliciousness into a Lawful Good faith.


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I don't have much to add to the discussion here, but I love the ongoing commitment by Paizo to keep things LGBT-welcome, as do all my LGBT friends that I play with!


Ikiry0 wrote:
Aerotan wrote:
The family looking a little different is something He's always frowned on, and his worshippers tended to ostracise those who deviated from the norm.
I think you might be reading a little too much maliciousness into a Lawful Good faith.

I dunno. I mean, if you read Iroi, for example, he's always been kind of a jerk. He literally talks crap about Iomedae, Cayden, and Norborger because they became Gods in a different way than he did. To the point that Iomedae worshipers and Iori worshipers are openly hostile to one another.

So, looking at Erastil who is described as:

"Erastil teaches his followers to embrace traditional and simpler ways of life, free of the constraints of modern civilization, a trait that often results in disagreements with more progressive deities such as Abadar; this difference in opinion leads to increasing conflict between these deities' respective clergies."

I can see him being miffed about a lot of things in Starfinder. Potentially yes, he'd not be a fan of all of the technology and he'd likely be against non-traditional family units. He may not even be around much either, as he isn't even mentioned in the Starfinder CRB.

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Ikiry0 wrote:
Aerotan wrote:
The family looking a little different is something He's always frowned on, and his worshippers tended to ostracise those who deviated from the norm.
I think you might be reading a little too much maliciousness into a Lawful Good faith.

People have been doing this for years. There is one poorly worded line in one book, and now all everyone talks about is how he's basically the god of misogyny.


Him and Asmodeus that is.


HWalsh wrote:
I can see him being miffed about a lot of things in Starfinder.

Mind you, he'd also likely be one of the biggest ones for opposing all the BAD things that progression can also cause. I mean, I don't see him being a fan that 'Nukes' are a ship weapon or being in favour of stuff like orbital bombardment. Or the cloning of people for organ farming/Bunraku Parlors.

Progress isn't inherently a good thing. It's just moving from one thing to another.


what about robosexual characters????


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evilnerf wrote:
Ikiry0 wrote:
Aerotan wrote:
The family looking a little different is something He's always frowned on, and his worshippers tended to ostracise those who deviated from the norm.
I think you might be reading a little too much maliciousness into a Lawful Good faith.
People have been doing this for years. There is one poorly worded line in one book, and now all everyone talks about is how he's basically the god of misogyny.

Yeah, it's been rather explicitly stated that the "traditional values" Erastil upholds emphatically don't include sexism, racism, homophobia, or transphobia, as there never having been a time where anyone in Golarion held those as "traditional values."

Lashuntu culture on the other hand does have a long tradition of strictly defined gender roles, and a generally pro-nature population historically against getting together in big cities, which relatively recently they've pulled a total 180 on. As it happens Castrovel is also the one pact world remaining where farming and hunting are still thriving lifestyles.

I would figure he still has a fair number of worshipers there, and since he IS an LG god, and the radical shift in lashuntu social structure is a good thing, there'd have to be some kind of overprotective-parent-learning-to-let-go sort of thing softening his stance on some issues, while focusing more on his other areas of concern.

There's a lot of potential for positive queer themes there, particularly since it's already so easy to approach the lashunta restructuring from that direction.

There's a lot of other good potential plot seeds baked in there too, but that's beyond the scope of this thread really.


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I figure that, since farming is all about getting the biggest yield on whatever you can harvest, Oras has taken over as the main deity that farmers worship.

Gotta make those tomatoes as big as you can!

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