Your example doesn't work because you would need to spend a swift action for every person you demoralized.
If you want to attack everyone within reach, you can take Whirlwind Attack. No Intimidate checks required.
But it's not as powerful as it sounds, because there are rarely more than a couple of people within reach in a normal encounter.
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If you want to attack everyone within reach, you can take Whirlwind Attack. No Intimidate checks required.
But it's not as powerful as it sounds, because there are rarely more than a couple of people within reach in a normal encounter.
Whirlwind Attack is a vastly underrated feat, as it permits mediocre-BAB characters without TWF to hit every target they can reach, and, even if the number they can reach is only two, that might still be more than otherwise -- and even if not, what few there are are being taken at full attack-bonus rather than -5/-10 iterative penalties. (It's also capstone to the Spring Attack feat-chain, itself also quite good, and underrated.) It's very effective with a whip or polearm.
-- But don't take if your GM is the lazy sort who just throws a succession of solitary powerful monsters at the PCs. The feat is best for party-on-party types of situations, such as barroom brawls and pirate ship boarding-raids.
If you want to attack everyone within reach, you can take Whirlwind Attack. No Intimidate checks required.
But it's not as powerful as it sounds, because there are rarely more than a couple of people within reach in a normal encounter.
Whirlwind Attack is a vastly underrated feat, as it permits mediocre-BAB characters without TWF to hit every target they can reach, and, even if the number they can reach is only two, that might still be more than otherwise -- and even if not, what few there are are being taken at full attack-bonus rather than -5/-10 iterative penalties. (It's also capstone to the Spring Attack feat-chain, itself also quite good, and underrated.) It's very effective with a whip or polearm.
-- But don't take if your GM is the lazy sort who just throws a succession of solitary powerful monsters at the PCs. The feat is best for party-on-party types of situations, such as barroom brawls and pirate ship boarding-raids.
Greater Cleave is easier to get and just as effective.
Greater Cleave is easier to get and just as effective.If you want to attack everyone within reach, you can take Whirlwind Attack. No Intimidate checks required.
But it's not as powerful as it sounds, because there are rarely more than a couple of people within reach in a normal encounter.
Whirlwind Attack is a vastly underrated feat, as it permits mediocre-BAB characters without TWF to hit every target they can reach, and, even if the number they can reach is only two, that might still be more than otherwise -- and even if not, what few there are are being taken at full attack-bonus rather than -5/-10 iterative penalties. (It's also capstone to the Spring Attack feat-chain, itself also quite good, and underrated.) It's very effective with a whip or polearm.
-- But don't take if your GM is the lazy sort who just throws a succession of solitary powerful monsters at the PCs. The feat is best for party-on-party types of situations, such as barroom brawls and pirate ship boarding-raids.
Sure, if you never miss.
Sure, if you never miss.Greater Cleave is easier to get and just as effective.If you want to attack everyone within reach, you can take Whirlwind Attack. No Intimidate checks required.
But it's not as powerful as it sounds, because there are rarely more than a couple of people within reach in a normal encounter.
Whirlwind Attack is a vastly underrated feat, as it permits mediocre-BAB characters without TWF to hit every target they can reach, and, even if the number they can reach is only two, that might still be more than otherwise -- and even if not, what few there are are being taken at full attack-bonus rather than -5/-10 iterative penalties. (It's also capstone to the Spring Attack feat-chain, itself also quite good, and underrated.) It's very effective with a whip or polearm.
-- But don't take if your GM is the lazy sort who just throws a succession of solitary powerful monsters at the PCs. The feat is best for party-on-party types of situations, such as barroom brawls and pirate ship boarding-raids.
Only on a 1
And I get to apply Improved Vital Strike while using Greater Cleave.
And I get to apply Improved Vital Strike while using Greater Cleave.
To use vital strike (or improved vital strike) you must be using an attack action, which is a specific standard action to attack.
Cleave chain requires you use a standard action, and while that standard action includes an attack, it is not specifically an "attack action".
The presence of All-Consuming Swing further illustrates that you cannot get vital strike damage on a cleave under the basic rules. (else why does the feat exist if you can do that anyway, without any side-effects).
As to the OP's question, feats always override rules that they specifically say they override, but not otherwise.
e.g, many feats will spell out a benefit, then have a line that says:
Normally: yada yada.
In these cases the normal condition (or rules) is being replaced with the variant rule the feat offers.
In the case of hurtful, it doesn't grant additional swift actions, so you are still limited to the default 1 swift action.
And I get to apply Improved Vital Strike while using Greater Cleave.To use vital strike (or improved vital strike) you must be using an attack action, which is a specific standard action to attack.
Cleave chain requires you use a standard action, and while that standard action includes an attack, it is not specifically an "attack action".
The presence of All-Consuming Swing further illustrates that you cannot get vital strike damage on a cleave under the basic rules. (else why does the feat exist if you can do that anyway, without any side-effects).
If only there were a feat that said otherwise.
Additional Prerequisite(s): Cleave, Improved Vital Strike, Power Attack
When you use Cleave, you can add the additional damage from Vital Strike to both your initial and your secondary attacks. If you also have the Greater Vital Strike feat, you can instead add the damage from Improved Vital Strike to both your initial and your secondary attacks.
else why does the feat exist if you can do that anyway, without any side-effects
Tell that to the original prone shooter.
While I don't disagree with your point here, the existence of a feat is an iffy way to extrapolate rules.
But it's not as powerful as it sounds, because there are rarely more than a couple of people within reach in a normal encounter.
And because it encourages you to get surrounded by enemies, who are then all flanking you.
If only there were a feat that said otherwise.
/facepalm
You didn't mention that in your original post. Of course if you have another feat that changes the rules, then of course you can.