PossibleCabbage |
2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but... What do they mean by "Starfinder is going for a full reprint"?
Does it means more volumes of the books already printed, or that they are covering things that were published in Pathfinder?
I think it means that they sold the entire 1st print run of Starfinder and have put in for a second full print run.
Gorbacz |
3 people marked this as a favorite. |
Argh. So it looks like they are scaling back a bit in favor of Starfinder instead of expanding house to support the new line.
: (
Runelords AP sounds interesting, though. Not as interesting as an Osirion or Qadira AP, but interesting nonetheless.
Don't blame Starfinder, blame 5E. The king is back, and by all anecdotal evidence, he's back big, and there's really nothing Paizo can do about that. Paizo did the only logical thing in face of this and expanded into a market segment that's not dominated by a single product with brand recognition at Kleenex level.
Gorbacz |
6 people marked this as a favorite. |
If anybody likes Paizo and Pathfinder but is cold about Starfinder, well, you should still hold your fingers crossed for SF, because if it goes big (and hints are that it did), Paizo will stay the size it is now and continue for years to come, publishing both games and brining you the good stuff, if at a slower pace.
If SF bombs, it's just Pathfinder against The World's Most Recognisable RPG in the best shape it was in decades. That's more or less GOT season 7 episode 6 situation, and you're Jon Snow's A-Team.
JiCi |
Does... Pathfinder have rules that have yet to be covered? I mean... with Ultimate Wilderness and Planar Adventures, I... have yet to find something else that really deserves its own rule set. Yeah, they can release more Bestiaries, NPC and Villain Codixes, but still...
Pact World Adventures? Where they have rules to convert Starfinder into Pathfinder?
Ultimate Spell? Where they regroup spells from all sources while throwing new ones?
Aside from APs and regional booklets, Pathfinder... pretty much covered all its bases when it comes to general rules.
Dragon78 |
I also have never liked that the map folios are part of the campaign setting line.
Books I would like to see...
Golarion World Guide(Hardcover campaign setting book that covers all of Golarion outside the Inner Sea.)
Dungeon Adventures
Advanced Races 2
Steampunk Adventures
Ultimate Spells
Monstrous Adventurers(Book that stats many monsters as playable races.)
Fairy Tale Adventures
Ultimate Equipment 2
Primitive Adventures
Ultimate Feats(and Traits)
Advanced Archetypes(Collection of archetypes.)
Historic Adventures
Ultimate Psychic
Modern Adventures
Ultimate Class Guide(Book that gives every class in Pathfinder 5-7 pages of mostly non-archetype/spell/feat love.)
Enlight_Bystand |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Well, a Skin book should be a genre book to go over the basic rules (the meat and bones). I would take this to mean that the Planar Adventures might well be designed to work with both Pathfinder and Starfinder, and, to a lesser extent, other D20 genres.
I could be wrong though, I so often am.
I believe that Perram meant that it was to apply a specific skin to your pathfinder campaign - so for example Mythic Adventures gives a Mythic skin to your campaign, and Occult Adventures gives a Occult skin to your campaign, therefore Planar Adventures gives a Planar skin to your campaign.
Zhern |
I'm still holding out hope that we'll get a Campaign Setting book that covers Nidal.
I'm obviously going to be in the minority in this, but does Pathfinder really need more rules? I personally don't think so but that won't stop me from buying the books if they are put out. I'd much rather have lore and setting details than anything else.
I'm glad to see Starfinder do so well at GenCon and I hope it does well from here on out, specifically for the reasons Gorbacz mentioned. Pathfinder isn't able to compete with 5e head to head, not after almost 10 years of being the leader. 5e is a force to be reckoned with especially with Hasbro as the umbrella company for WotC. Starfinder is a smart, strategic move that opens up quite a few new avenues for Paizo. Good on them.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
16 people marked this as a favorite. |
Argh. So it looks like they are scaling back a bit in favor of Starfinder instead of expanding house to support the new line.
The changes to the Campaign Setting and Companion lines would be happening with or without Starfinder. Erik has been thinking about trying some new things in these lines for quite a while now, and adjusting the schedules is just part of the plan. Stay tuned!
master_marshmallow |
It seems like the Shifter will have contention with the ranger for character niches, though if it really does focus mostly on shifting for combat I could see it being a different experience.
I fully expect the next 'Ultimate' book to be more about dungeon crawling and include tips and generators for making dungeons and traps. Ideally with a full class of the Archaeologist.
As far as the different elements that go into making a campaign from scratch, Combat, Magic, Campaign, Intrigue, and Wilderness will cover just about every facet of the game in full except dungeon crawls.
I'm still hoping for an 'Advanced Multiclassing Guide' which goes full force in either fulling all the class niches we don't have, or enabling players to do it themselves with new rules, as well as including some needed reprints and compilations from previously closed content books (like we've been seeing with Adventurer's Guide) which could really help out some players who otherwise don't want to buy all the player companions that are needed to make decent characters out of the open content books like fighters and certain vigilantes. I also wanna see a better version of Variant Multiclassing implemented, and perhaps even broad rules on alternate class features more akin to 3.5, and an archetype builder.
Steve Geddes |
blahpers wrote:Argh. So it looks like they are scaling back a bit in favor of Starfinder instead of expanding house to support the new line.The changes to the Campaign Setting and Companion lines would be happening with or without Starfinder. Erik has been thinking about trying some new things in these lines for quite a while now, and adjusting the schedules is just part of the plan. Stay tuned!
Cool. Hopefully the modules line will get some TLC, too.
The Gold Sovereign |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Does... Pathfinder have rules that have yet to be covered? I mean... with Ultimate Wilderness and Planar Adventures, I... have yet to find something else that really deserves its own rule set. Yeah, they can release more Bestiaries, NPC and Villain Codixes, but still...
Pact World Adventures? Where they have rules to convert Starfinder into Pathfinder?
Ultimate Spell? Where they regroup spells from all sources while throwing new ones?
Aside from APs and regional booklets, Pathfinder... pretty much covered all its bases when it comes to general rules.
More books like Book of the Damned and Adventurers Guide are always welcomed. I would love to see more Setting related hardcovers in the RPG line.
taks |
3 people marked this as a favorite. |
blahpers wrote:Argh. So it looks like they are scaling back a bit in favor of Starfinder instead of expanding house to support the new line.The changes to the Campaign Setting and Companion lines would be happening with or without Starfinder. Erik has been thinking about trying some new things in these lines for quite a while now, and adjusting the schedules is just part of the plan. Stay tuned!
I recall reading several posts that hinted (read: outright stated) that SF wouldn't be an impact to the PF line, so this makes sense. I don't mind, quite frankly, and if you can use this as an opportunity to improve the quality (not that it isn't high already), that makes what we get for our money that much better.
Kalindlara Contributor |
Zaister |
blahpers wrote:Runelords AP sounds interesting, though. Not as interesting as an Osirion or Qadira AP, but interesting nonetheless.Do we know for sure where the new Runelords AP is set? All I've seen is that it involves the 5 heretofore unaccounted for Runelords.
James mentioned that it visits Magnimar, Korvosa, Riddleport, Sandpoint and Kaer Maga, so pretty much Varisia only, I'd say.
Erik Mona Chief Creative Officer, Publisher |
Can anyone who attended clarify what is meant by "sold across two packs?" Specifically does one case yield all four elementals?
The four elementals will actually be spread across TWO SETS, not two packs. Each set's case incentive will contain two elementals.
Maze of Death has the first two (Fire and Air, I think) and the other two will be in a different set altogether.
Erik Mona Chief Creative Officer, Publisher |
2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Daw wrote:I believe that Perram meant that it was to apply a specific skin to your pathfinder campaign - so for example Mythic Adventures gives a Mythic skin to your campaign, and Occult Adventures gives a Occult skin to your campaign, therefore Planar Adventures gives a Planar skin to your campaign.Well, a Skin book should be a genre book to go over the basic rules (the meat and bones). I would take this to mean that the Planar Adventures might well be designed to work with both Pathfinder and Starfinder, and, to a lesser extent, other D20 genres.
I could be wrong though, I so often am.
This is it exactly.
Erik Mona Chief Creative Officer, Publisher |
2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Vic Wertz wrote:Cool. Hopefully the modules line will get some TLC, too.blahpers wrote:Argh. So it looks like they are scaling back a bit in favor of Starfinder instead of expanding house to support the new line.The changes to the Campaign Setting and Companion lines would be happening with or without Starfinder. Erik has been thinking about trying some new things in these lines for quite a while now, and adjusting the schedules is just part of the plan. Stay tuned!
One thing at a time, but yes. :)
Kalindlara Contributor |
Alexander Augunas Contributor |
2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Kalindlara wrote:Thank God for the product line slowdown. The latest round of Player Companion announcements have been seriously underwhelming, and the Campaign Setting isn't doing a whole lot better.So I guess you don't want to write for any of those. Noted. ;-)
I mean, if you find yourself down a person.... *rapid-fire winking*
Jhaeman |
Mark Moreland wrote:I mean, if you find yourself down a person.... *rapid-fire winking*Kalindlara wrote:Thank God for the product line slowdown. The latest round of Player Companion announcements have been seriously underwhelming, and the Campaign Setting isn't doing a whole lot better.So I guess you don't want to write for any of those. Noted. ;-)
One might argue that new blood is needed to keep the lines from slowing down any further ;)
Edit: Reminding myself that tone often isn't conveyed online, I really am just kidding here!
Marco Massoudi |
JLant wrote:
Can anyone who attended clarify what is meant by "sold across two packs?" Specifically does one case yield all four elementals?The four elementals will actually be spread across TWO SETS, not two packs. Each set's case incentive will contain two elementals.
Maze of Death has the first two (Fire and Air, I think) and the other two will be in a different set altogether.
I thought MD had "Huge Air Elemental" & "Huge Water Elemental"?
It was initially advertised as you said, but later (PaizoCon i think) renders of Air & Water were shown.
Thank you for shaking things up in a good way, Erik. :-)
shadowkras |
Thank God for the product line slowdown. The latest round of Player Companion announcements have been seriously underwhelming, and the Campaign Setting isn't doing a whole lot better.
Seriously? I am surprised to see this, as qadira, underwater and elemental books are among my favourites CS books.
I can't tell about the PC line, but one of my friends keep telling me to buy two of the books because they are really good.Kalindlara Contributor |
3 people marked this as a favorite. |
Seriously? I am surprised to see this, as qadira, underwater and elemental books are among my favourites CS books.
I can't tell about the PC line, but one of my friends keep telling me to buy two of the books because they are really good.
Oh, no. The ones that are out are generally good. I was thinking primarily of certain announcements for those lines; stuff coming out in the future.
And I was having a particularly bad few days at the time, so take my words with a grain of salt in any case. ^_^
CorvusMask |
That's disappointing. I had been hoping for a Dominion of the Black AP, instead of another Runelords AP, given the clocks in Osirion are supposed to run out in AR 4718. Sigh.
Planar Adventures sounds promising, though.
I have hopes for the AP after Return of the Runelords. I mean, just because clocks run out, doesn't mean something happens from point of view of people on Golarion, maybe its time Dominion arrived somewhere or started infiltration plan or something. So yeah crossing my fingers we get that alien invasion ap after runelords have returned :'D
Anyhoo, I actually like "x of Golarion" books, and have liked pretty much all of the companion and setting line books, but I do have to say that I think it might be good idea for them to slow down.
I mean, like I said in another thread, there has been a lot of weird things in monthly books probably from lack of time for proof reading/editing/cross checking past materials. As result you can make character with The Stargzaer cosmic trait, Stargazer campaing trait, Stargazer oracle mystery and Stargazer prestige class. I forgot if there was another trait with same name, but yeah, its sillier than pact wizard/pact wizard.
CorvusMask |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |
There's also a Varisian race trait, I think. It's either that or a Desna religion trait. ^_^
Thank you :D I was really bothered by what it was, since Stargazer is our Iron Gods' party's running gag by now. So basically, with a drawback you can have your traits to be The Stargazer, Stargazer and Stargazer.
Anyhoo, speaking of my regular party, I know they are really starved for more faqs and erratas, so if slower pacing means we might get more of those, I think they would be really happy
logic_poet |
Disappointed not to hear about an NPC Codex 2, again. With all the new classes, it would be really useful. And with the Runelords AP going to 20th, I might have expected a product like that to ease some of the space constraints of high-level stat blocks.
If the reason this product keeps not happening is because Paizo has decided this product is too easy for 3rd party publishers to do well, has anyone a link to such an admission? It'd be nice to have, along with the evergreen explanations for why hardcover AP compilations are rare.
kevin_video |
kevin_video wrote:I'm mostly interested with the idea of a new We Be Goblins 5 scenario. I'd love to know all of the info that was dropped for it.Maybe it will be: We Be Space Goblins!
That's what I was wondering. I remember seeing new sketches of different goblins for Starfinder, and that it was a scenario about space goblins. It was first brought up at Paizo Con and it was going to be playtested there. I was curious if that ended up being the prototype of what we're getting next year.
Marco Massoudi |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I really hope and think the Free RPG Day adventure will be a Starfinder one.
I don´t mind if it has Space Goblins as PCs.
But Starfinder needs more adventures and more people to be introduced to it than Pathfinder.
The coolest thing would be a Pathfinder/Starfinder flipbook with Golarion goblins launched into space at the end of the PF adventure and waking up from cryo-stasis at the beginning of the SF side. ;-)