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Let the hype train commence! I haven't been this excited for an AP since Hell's Rebels!

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I like that folks are excited for "Return of the Runelords," but this isn't an appropriate way to start up a dialogue about it.


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James Jacobs wrote:
I like that folks are excited for "Return of the Runelords," but this isn't an appropriate way to start up a dialogue about it.

Sorry, got overly excited, edited original post.


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Anyway, the titles of each installment (and their authors) will be

AP Titles:
#133 Secrets of Roderic's Cove- Adam Daigle
#134 It Came from Hollow Mountain- Mike Shel
#135 Runeplague- Rich Pett
#136 Temple of the Peacock Spirit- Jason Keeley
#137 The City Outside of Time- Amanda Kunz
#138 Rise of New Thassilon-Greg Vaughan

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I'm unsure of the validity of it, but a GenCon attendee posted on Facebook that it's confirmed to have longer books than usual and go all the way from levels 1-20.


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Longer books? huh.


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Well that is disappointing:(

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Malefactor wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
I like that folks are excited for "Return of the Runelords," but this isn't an appropriate way to start up a dialogue about it.
Sorry, got overly excited, edited original post.

Awesome! Thank you so much! :-D


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MORE RUNELORDS.
MORE MAYHEM.

IA! IA!

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YAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dragon78 wrote:
Well that is disappointing:(

Could you elaborate? Were you hoping for an AP set in a different area or something? I for one am psyched that we get a chance to battle another (maybe even multiple) Runelord.

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Jurassic Pratt wrote:
I'm unsure of the validity of it, but a GenCon attendee posted on Facebook that it's confirmed to have longer books than usual and go all the way from levels 1-20.

That's not quite accurate.

Each volume will be the same size as normal (96 pages), but rather than have three six-page support articles, each installment will only have two support articles. That extra 6 pages will be going to the adventure, which over the course of 6 volumes gets us an additional 36 pages of adventure.

Which, when combined with some other shenanigans in information presentation, SHOULD be enough room for us to do an AP that goes all the way to 20th level.


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I don't like Varisia

I have never cared much for the Runelords.

I really don't see a selling point for me on this one, even if you can get to level 20.

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That's awesome to hear James! Really looking forward to this AP.


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i'm fine with this myself. Especially since one seems to specifically involve the Peacock Spirit. Yay more history/lore reveals. The authors make me smile, though my players will be traumatized by volume 3 before i even run it. Pett has that effect on my group. (Thanks!)

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Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Well that is disappointing:(
Could you elaborate? Were you hoping for an AP set in a different area or something? I for one am psyched that we get a chance to battle another (maybe even multiple) Runelord.

Not every thing is of equal interest to every person, so it's probably best to just leave it at that.

Personally, I'm really excited to FINALLY be able to finish up the "Runelords" trilogy. "Return of the Runelords" contains some plot elements that I've been eager to explore pretty much since day one of Pathfinder, back when I was working on Rise of the Runelords. I've been dropping hints and foreshadowing and other things about a lot of the stuff that's gonna take place in this AP for decades. Gonna be really fun to see how it all works out!


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Malefactor wrote:
Anyway, the titles of each installment (and their authors) will be ** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
#137 The City Outside of Time- Amanda Kunz

I swear, you guys know just how to spark me ol' burners...

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James Jacobs wrote:
Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Well that is disappointing:(
Could you elaborate? Were you hoping for an AP set in a different area or something? I for one am psyched that we get a chance to battle another (maybe even multiple) Runelord.

Not every thing is of equal interest to every person, so it's probably best to just leave it at that.

Personally, I'm really excited to FINALLY be able to finish up the "Runelords" trilogy. "Return of the Runelords" contains some plot elements that I've been eager to explore pretty much since day one of Pathfinder, back when I was working on Rise of the Runelords. I've been dropping hints and foreshadowing and other things about a lot of the stuff that's gonna take place in this AP for decades. Gonna be really fun to see how it all works out!

Oooooo....


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Very nice.

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Dragon78 wrote:

I don't like Varisia

I have never cared much for the Runelords.

I really don't see a selling point for me on this one, even if you can get to level 20.

I knew you in particular weren't going to like this AP. A lot of the elements of the game that are my favorites are pretty much the exact opposite of yours, after all.

EVERY Adventure Path has folks who aren't interested in them, though—that's nothing new. And that's one reason why we do 2 a year.

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Will we get some more insight into developments in how Varisia's cities have developed since RotRL and S* (I assume those are the first two installments of the "Runelords Trilogy")?


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W00t!


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James Jacobs wrote:
Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Well that is disappointing:(
Could you elaborate? Were you hoping for an AP set in a different area or something? I for one am psyched that we get a chance to battle another (maybe even multiple) Runelord.

Not every thing is of equal interest to every person, so it's probably best to just leave it at that.

Personally, I'm really excited to FINALLY be able to finish up the "Runelords" trilogy. "Return of the Runelords" contains some plot elements that I've been eager to explore pretty much since day one of Pathfinder, back when I was working on Rise of the Runelords. I've been dropping hints and foreshadowing and other things about a lot of the stuff that's gonna take place in this AP for decades. Gonna be really fun to see how it all works out!

I am probably being dense but what is the second part of the trilogy?

Shattered Star?


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James Jacobs wrote:
Personally, I'm really excited to FINALLY be able to finish up the "Runelords" trilogy. "Return of the Runelords" contains some plot elements that I've been eager to explore pretty much since day one of Pathfinder, back when I was working on Rise of the Runelords. I've been dropping hints and foreshadowing and other things about a lot of the stuff that's gonna take place in this AP for decades. Gonna be really fun to see how it all works out!

How much of the AP is spent in Varisia?


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Oh man. I'm currently running Shattered Star after having run Rise of the Runelords, and I was planning on making a homebrew (quite literally titled "Return of the Rise of the Runelords") in about a year's time, but then you guys go and drop this! I can't tell if I'm ecstatic or a little disappointed.

My wonder is which of the Runelords are finally going to find themselves given stats in this adventure. With Mr. Jacobs aboard, I can't help but feel that we'll finally find out how much of a threat Sorshen really is.

Also, any chance that this will be runnable in a world where Karzoug didn't die at the end of Rise?


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Zhyth wrote:

Oh man. I'm currently running Shattered Star after having run Rise of the Runelords, and I was planning on making a homebrew (quite literally titled "Return of the Rise of the Runelords") in about a year's time, but then you guys go and drop this! I can't tell if I'm ecstatic or a little disappointed.

My wonder is which of the Runelords are finally going to find themselves given stats in this adventure. With Mr. Jacobs aboard, I can't help but feel that we'll finally find out how much of a threat Sorshen really is.

Also, any chance that this will be runnable in a world where Karzoug didn't die at the end of Rise?

Anything is runnable, some things just need more elbow grease put into them first than others ;)


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I for one welcome our new well rested overlords!


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Well, this looks to be really interesting. Lol. I've played neither RotRL or Shattered Star. I may have to somehow try and remedy that.

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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Will we get some more insight into developments in how Varisia's cities have developed since RotRL and S* (I assume those are the first two installments of the "Runelords Trilogy")?

Yes.

Return of the Runelords takes place about a decade after Rise of the Runelords and about 5 years after Shattered Star, but before Jade Regent (although if you've run Jade Regent in your game, that won't really impact your Return of the Runelords game much at all).

That means that we'll be seeing how the events of those two previous APs have impacted Varisia. You will be visiting Magnimar, Riddleport, Korvosa, Sandpoint, and Kaer Maga during the AP in any event.

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Lanathar wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Well that is disappointing:(
Could you elaborate? Were you hoping for an AP set in a different area or something? I for one am psyched that we get a chance to battle another (maybe even multiple) Runelord.

Not every thing is of equal interest to every person, so it's probably best to just leave it at that.

Personally, I'm really excited to FINALLY be able to finish up the "Runelords" trilogy. "Return of the Runelords" contains some plot elements that I've been eager to explore pretty much since day one of Pathfinder, back when I was working on Rise of the Runelords. I've been dropping hints and foreshadowing and other things about a lot of the stuff that's gonna take place in this AP for decades. Gonna be really fun to see how it all works out!

I am probably being dense but what is the second part of the trilogy?

Shattered Star?

Correct.

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Steve Geddes wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Personally, I'm really excited to FINALLY be able to finish up the "Runelords" trilogy. "Return of the Runelords" contains some plot elements that I've been eager to explore pretty much since day one of Pathfinder, back when I was working on Rise of the Runelords. I've been dropping hints and foreshadowing and other things about a lot of the stuff that's gonna take place in this AP for decades. Gonna be really fun to see how it all works out!
How much of the AP is spent in Varisia?

Most of it.

Spoiler:
As with Rise of the Runelords and Shattered Star, there'll be sections that take place in other "places" but the bulk of the AP is Varisia.

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Zhyth wrote:

Oh man. I'm currently running Shattered Star after having run Rise of the Runelords, and I was planning on making a homebrew (quite literally titled "Return of the Rise of the Runelords") in about a year's time, but then you guys go and drop this! I can't tell if I'm ecstatic or a little disappointed.

My wonder is which of the Runelords are finally going to find themselves given stats in this adventure. With Mr. Jacobs aboard, I can't help but feel that we'll finally find out how much of a threat Sorshen really is.

Also, any chance that this will be runnable in a world where Karzoug didn't die at the end of Rise?

Return of the Runelords assumes Karzoug is dead at the start. In fact, him being dead is a pretty important plot point.

As for which runelords get stats...

Spoiler:
... more than you might expect.

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Interesting, this announcement coupled with the fact I ran Rise of the Runelords for my group I might have to look at Shattered Star. But now I am also interested in Starfinder. Decisions, decisions...


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I cannot overemphasize how exciting this is. We finally get to officially gack many or all of the rest of 'em!

Viva la Varisia! Down with the Runelords! Gimmie yer stuff! :D


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James Jacobs wrote:
Zhyth wrote:
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Return of the Runelords assumes Karzoug is dead at the start. In fact, him being dead is a pretty important plot point.

Hmm, that's a little unfortunate, but not at all surprising. I'm already having to change a couple of things in Shattered Star to account for it. If all goes as planned, though, they'll get their chance at revenge on Karzoug at the end of the campaign, so here's to hoping that it goes well for them this time!

James Jacobs wrote:

As for which runelords get stats...

** spoiler omitted **

Now that's what I want to hear!


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James Jacobs wrote:
You will be visiting Magnimar, Riddleport, Korvosa, Sandpoint, and Kaer Maga during the AP in any event.

Begins psyonic influencing of the Paizo brains that need to ok Sandpoint Boxed Set

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I approve of this development.

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Any chance of giving an indication of who the iconics for this one will be? Also I take it the pathfinder comics tie into this to a certain extent as well?


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Well, I've said I wasn't interested in running Pathfinder AP's for my Sunday game group anymore but since I've run them through Rise and Shattered Star I may have to back off that statement.

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Oh my God!
James, you're developing this, right? This makes me sooooo happy!
Question: This assumes CotCT happened, right?

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Zhyth wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Zhyth wrote:
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Return of the Runelords assumes Karzoug is dead at the start. In fact, him being dead is a pretty important plot point.
Hmm, that's a little unfortunate, but not at all surprising. I'm already having to change a couple of things in Shattered Star to account for it. If all goes as planned, though, they'll get their chance at revenge on Karzoug at the end of the campaign, so here's to hoping that it goes well for them this time!

There WILL be sidebars here and there that will provide aid and suggestions on how to adjust things like this if things played out differently in your game. I wouldn't be surprised to see this information end up in each volume's Foreword... so make sure not to ignore them!


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James Jacobs wrote:
That means that we'll be seeing how the events of those two previous APs have impacted Varisia. You will be visiting Magnimar, Riddleport, Korvosa, Sandpoint, and Kaer Maga during the AP in any event.

With a return to Riddleport and Korvosa as well, what relation will Return have to Second Darkness and Curse of the Crimson Throne?

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Kevin Mack wrote:
Any chance of giving an indication of who the iconics for this one will be? Also I take it the pathfinder comics tie into this to a certain extent as well?

The iconics will be the swashbuckler, the witch, the oracle, and the medium. And likely the fighter, the sorcerer, the rogue, and the cleric. And maybe even the ranger, the barbarian, and the alchemist.

And SOME elements from the comics will play into it, yes.

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FedoraFerret wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
That means that we'll be seeing how the events of those two previous APs have impacted Varisia. You will be visiting Magnimar, Riddleport, Korvosa, Sandpoint, and Kaer Maga during the AP in any event.
With a return to Riddleport and Korvosa as well, what relation will Return have to Second Darkness and Curse of the Crimson Throne?

It assumes those two adventure paths have taken place, which is the same assumption we made for Shattered Star. And since Return of the Runelords is a sequel to Shattered Star... well, there ya go.

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Paladinosaur wrote:

Oh my God!

James, you're developing this, right? This makes me sooooo happy!
Question: This assumes CotCT happened, right?

Yeah, I'm developing this. Along with "Cradle of Night" (which I'm also writing the bulk of) and "Construct Handbook" and another big project that should be announced some time soon during Gen Con.

It does assume Crimson Throne has happened, yes.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Paladinosaur wrote:

Oh my God!

James, you're developing this, right? This makes me sooooo happy!
Question: This assumes CotCT happened, right?

Yeah, I'm developing this. Along with "Cradle of Night" (which I'm also writing the bulk of) and "Construct Handbook" and another big project that should be announced some time soon during Gen Con.

It does assume Crimson Throne has happened, yes.

You're on fire!

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Cool!

I was wondering when we'd get back to the Runelords.


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Finally, I'm getting my Sorshen action figure and playset!


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James Jacobs wrote:
There WILL be sidebars here and there that will provide aid and suggestions on how to adjust things like this if things played out differently in your game. I wouldn't be surprised to see this information end up in each volume's Foreword... so make sure not to ignore them!

I do love sidebars! I'll be sure to keep my eyes peeled for anything of the sort once these come out. Looking forward to it!

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James Jacobs wrote:

That means that we'll be seeing how the events of those two previous APs have impacted Varisia. You will be visiting Magnimar, Riddleport, Korvosa, Sandpoint, and Kaer Maga during the AP in any event.

Kaer Maga! Love it!

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