paizo.com Recent Posts in Weapon Size in Starfinder.paizo.com Recent Posts in Weapon Size in Starfinder.2017-08-18T05:46:54Z2017-08-18T05:46:54ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Xenocrathttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#352017-09-24T13:26:42Z2017-09-24T13:26:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Metaphysician wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Light Reaction Cannon and Azimuth Laser Artillery are level 1. So are a whole bunch of suitable melee weapons.</p>
<p>That said, given the damage code it has, I don't really buy that the Hunting Rifle is suppose to be a 22. 1d8P sounds a lot more like a 30 calibre, which seems fine as a weapon for someone Large sized. If it can kill a deer, it can kill things a Large character would want to kill. </blockquote><p>All longarms use the same ammo, so they don't use different (fixed) calibers anyway.Metaphysician wrote:Light Reaction Cannon and Azimuth Laser Artillery are level 1. So are a whole bunch of suitable melee weapons.
That said, given the damage code it has, I don't really buy that the Hunting Rifle is suppose to be a 22. 1d8P sounds a lot more like a 30 calibre, which seems fine as a weapon for someone Large sized. If it can kill a deer, it can kill things a Large character would want to kill.
All longarms use the same ammo, so they don't use different (fixed) calibers anyway.Xenocrat2017-09-24T13:26:42ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Metaphysicianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#342017-09-24T03:56:56Z2017-09-24T03:56:56Z<p>Light Reaction Cannon and Azimuth Laser Artillery are level 1. So are a whole bunch of suitable melee weapons.</p>
<p>That said, given the damage code it has, I don't really buy that the Hunting Rifle is suppose to be a 22. 1d8P sounds a lot more like a 30 calibre, which seems fine as a weapon for someone Large sized. If it can kill a deer, it can kill things a Large character would want to kill.</p>Light Reaction Cannon and Azimuth Laser Artillery are level 1. So are a whole bunch of suitable melee weapons.
That said, given the damage code it has, I don't really buy that the Hunting Rifle is suppose to be a 22. 1d8P sounds a lot more like a 30 calibre, which seems fine as a weapon for someone Large sized. If it can kill a deer, it can kill things a Large character would want to kill.Metaphysician2017-09-24T03:56:56ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Ravingdorkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#332017-09-23T18:40:06Z2017-09-23T18:39:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Metaphysician wrote:</div><blockquote> Well, sure, it makes no sense to build a .22 with a giant grip for a giant character. The answer is "Why is your giant using a .22, and not a much bigger weapon?" They aren't •obligated• to use such a gun, they can get a big heavy weapon or advanced melee weapon instead. Why haven't they? </blockquote><p>Because they're only level 1 and the bigger, better weapons are out of their reach. :PMetaphysician wrote:Well, sure, it makes no sense to build a .22 with a giant grip for a giant character. The answer is "Why is your giant using a .22, and not a much bigger weapon?" They aren't *obligated* to use such a gun, they can get a big heavy weapon or advanced melee weapon instead. Why haven't they?
Because they're only level 1 and the bigger, better weapons are out of their reach. :PRavingdork2017-09-23T18:39:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Metaphysicianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#322017-09-23T14:09:53Z2017-09-23T14:09:53Z<p>Well, sure, it makes no sense to build a .22 with a giant grip for a giant character. The answer is "Why is your giant using a .22, and not a much bigger weapon?" They aren't •obligated• to use such a gun, they can get a big heavy weapon or advanced melee weapon instead. Why haven't they?</p>Well, sure, it makes no sense to build a .22 with a giant grip for a giant character. The answer is "Why is your giant using a .22, and not a much bigger weapon?" They aren't *obligated* to use such a gun, they can get a big heavy weapon or advanced melee weapon instead. Why haven't they?Metaphysician2017-09-23T14:09:53ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.KahnyaGnorchttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#312017-09-23T01:25:36Z2017-09-23T01:25:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">swoosh wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">KahnyaGnorc wrote:</div><blockquote>Oh, and a "giant .22" wouldn't be a .22, as .22 is the caliber size, and a giant version would then have a larger caliber size. </blockquote>That's the point though. It still is a .22. The stock and the grip and the action are all sized up to be more comfortable for a Large creature, but it's still got the same barrel and the same caliber of ammunition. </blockquote><p>Again, it makes no sense to put such a small barrel and ammo, and weak power, on such a large weapon. It is like putting a go-cart engine in a military transport vehicle.
<p>Now, a large one-hander with a .22 barrel makes more sense.</p>
<p>The in-world "explanations" make no sense. The gameplay reasoning does, although the whole thing does torpedo a large number of my favorite character builds (since I have quite a few built around getting big and rawr-smashing, from tanks to casters) and, thus, interest in playing Starfinder.</p>
<p>Ah well, not every game is for every gamer, after all.</p>swoosh wrote:KahnyaGnorc wrote:Oh, and a "giant .22" wouldn't be a .22, as .22 is the caliber size, and a giant version would then have a larger caliber size.
That's the point though. It still is a .22. The stock and the grip and the action are all sized up to be more comfortable for a Large creature, but it's still got the same barrel and the same caliber of ammunition. Again, it makes no sense to put such a small barrel and ammo, and weak power, on such a large weapon. It is like putting a...KahnyaGnorc2017-09-23T01:25:36ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Claxonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#302017-09-22T21:43:53Z2017-09-22T20:40:59Z<p>It's kind of irrelevant. The rules are made for small/medium/large creatures. At present there aren't ways to increase or decrease character size (that I'm aware of) and there are only those 3 sizes of character races. I wouldn't expect to get base races of larger sizes than large, and I am doubtful they'll introduce magic that changes your size since resolving how that interacts with weapons would be a pain.</p>
<p>The fact that weapons of s/m/l all do the same damage doesn't really strain believe-ability as much as huge or colossal size creature weapons doing the same. But thankfully those type of non-player creatures wont need to follow the same rules as PCs and can just have unique weapons.</p>It's kind of irrelevant. The rules are made for small/medium/large creatures. At present there aren't ways to increase or decrease character size (that I'm aware of) and there are only those 3 sizes of character races. I wouldn't expect to get base races of larger sizes than large, and I am doubtful they'll introduce magic that changes your size since resolving how that interacts with weapons would be a pain.
The fact that weapons of s/m/l all do the same damage doesn't really strain...Claxon2017-09-22T20:40:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.swooshhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#292017-09-22T20:26:59Z2017-09-22T20:26:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">KahnyaGnorc wrote:</div><blockquote>Oh, and a "giant .22" wouldn't be a .22, as .22 is the caliber size, and a giant version would then have a larger caliber size. </blockquote><p>That's the point though. It still is a .22. The stock and the grip and the action are all sized up to be more comfortable for a Large creature, but it's still got the same barrel and the same caliber of ammunition.KahnyaGnorc wrote:Oh, and a "giant .22" wouldn't be a .22, as .22 is the caliber size, and a giant version would then have a larger caliber size.
That's the point though. It still is a .22. The stock and the grip and the action are all sized up to be more comfortable for a Large creature, but it's still got the same barrel and the same caliber of ammunition.swoosh2017-09-22T20:26:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.KahnyaGnorchttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#282018-10-16T04:58:00Z2017-09-22T20:08:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ventnor wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">KahnyaGnorc wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.</p>
<p>(This is coming from a player who likes to play giant-ish characters, my favorite race being Half-Giants who grow even further, and one of my favorite sci-fi races being Zentradi) </blockquote>Wouldn't a rifle the size of a cannon be a cannon rather than a rifle? </blockquote><p>Just like a small longsword is not a shortsword. While the sizes are equivalent, the shapes and usage would be different, as a cannon is mounted and a rifle is held in two hands.
<p>Oh, and a "giant .22" wouldn't be a .22, as .22 is the caliber size, and a giant version would then have a larger caliber size.</p>Ventnor wrote:KahnyaGnorc wrote:Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.
(This is coming from a player who likes to play giant-ish characters, my favorite race being Half-Giants who grow even further, and one of my favorite sci-fi races being Zentradi)
Wouldn't a rifle the size of a cannon be a cannon rather than a rifle? Just like a small longsword is not a shortsword. While the sizes are equivalent,...KahnyaGnorc2017-09-22T20:08:42ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Tarik Blackhands (alias of ItsTheName)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#272017-09-22T04:00:48Z2017-09-22T04:00:48Z<p>I'd just leave it as a balance abstraction. I shudder to think how the math detonates if you start advancing weapon dice by a step or two.</p>I'd just leave it as a balance abstraction. I shudder to think how the math detonates if you start advancing weapon dice by a step or two.Tarik Blackhands (alias of ItsTheName)2017-09-22T04:00:48ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.swooshhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#262017-09-22T03:57:30Z2017-09-22T03:57:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">KahnyaGnorc wrote:</div><blockquote> Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.</blockquote><p>I could make a really, really big .22 rifle but it's still a .22 rifle.KahnyaGnorc wrote:Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.
I could make a really, really big .22 rifle but it's still a .22 rifle.swoosh2017-09-22T03:57:30ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Ventnorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#252019-02-01T19:44:12Z2017-09-22T00:58:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">KahnyaGnorc wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.</p>
<p>(This is coming from a player who likes to play giant-ish characters, my favorite race being Half-Giants who grow even further, and one of my favorite sci-fi races being Zentradi) </blockquote><p>Wouldn't a rifle the size of a cannon be a cannon rather than a rifle?KahnyaGnorc wrote:Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.
(This is coming from a player who likes to play giant-ish characters, my favorite race being Half-Giants who grow even further, and one of my favorite sci-fi races being Zentradi)
Wouldn't a rifle the size of a cannon be a cannon rather than a rifle?Ventnor2017-09-22T00:58:23ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.KahnyaGnorchttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#242017-09-21T23:46:42Z2017-09-21T23:46:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shaudius wrote:</div><blockquote> Having larger sized weapons do more damage would be a headache, because the system assumes the thing that does more damage is higher level and also costs more credits you'd have to design the system to be robust enough to not break when you scale the weapon up in size. I'd rather them just forgot weapon size scaling damage like they've done. </blockquote><p>That does make sense, although I disagree with it, as it pretty much destroys one of my favorite character builds (big character with a large weapon that, via magic/psionics gets bigger and more damaging).
<p>Maybe Dreamscarred Press will fix it (I rely on them, anyway, for my favorite builds)</p>Shaudius wrote:Having larger sized weapons do more damage would be a headache, because the system assumes the thing that does more damage is higher level and also costs more credits you'd have to design the system to be robust enough to not break when you scale the weapon up in size. I'd rather them just forgot weapon size scaling damage like they've done.
That does make sense, although I disagree with it, as it pretty much destroys one of my favorite character builds (big character with a...KahnyaGnorc2017-09-21T23:46:42ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Shaudiushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#232017-09-21T03:15:57Z2017-09-21T03:15:57Z<p>Having larger sized weapons do more damage would be a headache, because the system assumes the thing that does more damage is higher level and also costs more credits you'd have to design the system to be robust enough to not break when you scale the weapon up in size. I'd rather them just forgot weapon size scaling damage like they've done.</p>Having larger sized weapons do more damage would be a headache, because the system assumes the thing that does more damage is higher level and also costs more credits you'd have to design the system to be robust enough to not break when you scale the weapon up in size. I'd rather them just forgot weapon size scaling damage like they've done.Shaudius2017-09-21T03:15:57ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.KahnyaGnorchttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#222018-10-16T04:56:55Z2017-09-21T01:06:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ellias Aubec wrote:</div><blockquote> THink of it as the barrel etc all being the same size, just the casing and handle etc have all been scaled up - lots of empty space inside the gun maybe, but the actual working parts are the same size as the smaller gun. </blockquote><p>...and that doesn't make sense, either.Ellias Aubec wrote:THink of it as the barrel etc all being the same size, just the casing and handle etc have all been scaled up - lots of empty space inside the gun maybe, but the actual working parts are the same size as the smaller gun.
...and that doesn't make sense, either.KahnyaGnorc2017-09-21T01:06:18ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Metaphysicianhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#212017-09-22T21:47:31Z2017-09-20T18:52:31Z<p>Also, if their increased size corresponds with generally increased power tier, they presumably will be using higher level weapons ( which do more damage ).</p>Also, if their increased size corresponds with generally increased power tier, they presumably will be using higher level weapons ( which do more damage ).Metaphysician2017-09-20T18:52:31ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.The_Defianthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#202017-09-20T08:55:48Z2017-09-20T08:55:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">KahnyaGnorc wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.</p>
<p>(This is coming from a player who likes to play giant-ish characters, my favorite race being Half-Giants who grow even further, and one of my favorite sci-fi races being Zentradi) </blockquote><p>Given how most large races tend to have strength bonuses, it wouldn´t be much of a streach to imagine their societies treating what we´d consider heavy weapons like a more general longarm. Just a thought.KahnyaGnorc wrote:Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.
(This is coming from a player who likes to play giant-ish characters, my favorite race being Half-Giants who grow even further, and one of my favorite sci-fi races being Zentradi)
Given how most large races tend to have strength bonuses, it wouldn´t be much of a streach to imagine their societies treating what we´d consider heavy weapons like a...The_Defiant2017-09-20T08:55:48ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Ellias Aubechttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#192017-09-20T03:41:32Z2017-09-20T03:41:32Z<p>THink of it as the barrel etc all being the same size, just the casing and handle etc have all been scaled up - lots of empty space inside the gun maybe, but the actual working parts are the same size as the smaller gun.</p>THink of it as the barrel etc all being the same size, just the casing and handle etc have all been scaled up - lots of empty space inside the gun maybe, but the actual working parts are the same size as the smaller gun.Ellias Aubec2017-09-20T03:41:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.KahnyaGnorchttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#182017-09-20T03:24:02Z2017-09-20T03:24:02Z<p>Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.</p>
<p>(This is coming from a player who likes to play giant-ish characters, my favorite race being Half-Giants who grow even further, and one of my favorite sci-fi races being Zentradi)</p>Hmmm, so a rifle the size of a cannon doesn't do the damage of a cannon, but the damage of a rifle? That . . . doesn't make sense.
(This is coming from a player who likes to play giant-ish characters, my favorite race being Half-Giants who grow even further, and one of my favorite sci-fi races being Zentradi)KahnyaGnorc2017-09-20T03:24:02ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Tim Statlerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#172017-09-20T03:28:06Z2017-09-20T03:13:44Z<p>It is not the size of your weapon, it is how you use it.</p>It is not the size of your weapon, it is how you use it.Tim Statler2017-09-20T03:13:44ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.SGPBhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#162017-09-20T01:53:51Z2017-09-20T01:53:51Z<p>Thank you for the official clarification Owen.</p>Thank you for the official clarification Owen.SGPB2017-09-20T01:53:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Gary Bushhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#152017-09-20T00:21:15Z2017-09-20T00:21:15Z<p>The larger ranged weapon does not mean the internals are bigger. The surrounding stock is sized so it is comfortable to user.</p>The larger ranged weapon does not mean the internals are bigger. The surrounding stock is sized so it is comfortable to user.Gary Bush2017-09-20T00:21:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Owen K. C. Stephenshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#142019-05-13T04:46:59Z2017-09-19T21:58:32Z<p>Larger versions of weapons do not do more damage in Starfinder.</p>Larger versions of weapons do not do more damage in Starfinder.Owen K. C. Stephens2017-09-19T21:58:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Peathttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#132017-09-19T21:52:32Z2017-09-19T21:52:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">se7e wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> The Sarcesian's damage is all screwed up. It says that their rifle does d810 damage, for example. I wouldn't use it as evidence for much of anything. </blockquote>Seeing as the level 2 sniper rifle does 1d10 damage, it is probably just a typo there. it has a CR of 5, so a level five operative using a sniper rifle would do 1d10+5 due to weapon specialization, fits perfectly. the next higher level sniper is level 8. the dueling sword that is available at the same levels does 1d6 for the level 2 weapon and 2d6 for the level 8 weapon. The Sarcesian's dueling sword does 1d8 damage, thus fitting the idea that larger melee weapons do more damage. Sarcesians are large (tall) creatures with reach. They are about 2x taller than the core races. </blockquote><p>So large ranged weapons don't increase damage but large melee weapons do? Wouldn't they fire larger shells? I know in real life there are a lot of factors in ballistics but the same could be said about other types of weapons increasing in size too if we are dragging real life into it.
<p>I think the point is you're making a lot of NPC and system assumptions using Pathfinder and Starfinder PC rules when the designers explicitly said NPC rules are not like Pathfinder or Starfinder PC rules. Sure there will be overlaps in numbers but those might be coincidence as well.</p>se7e wrote:Deadmanwalking wrote: The Sarcesian's damage is all screwed up. It says that their rifle does d810 damage, for example. I wouldn't use it as evidence for much of anything.
Seeing as the level 2 sniper rifle does 1d10 damage, it is probably just a typo there. it has a CR of 5, so a level five operative using a sniper rifle would do 1d10+5 due to weapon specialization, fits perfectly. the next higher level sniper is level 8. the dueling sword that is available at the same levels...Peat2017-09-19T21:52:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.Tim Statlerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#122019-05-13T04:46:25Z2017-09-19T21:25:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> The Sarcesian's damage is all screwed up. It says that their rifle does d810 damage, for example. I wouldn't use it as evidence for much of anything. </blockquote><p>where to you even find a 810 sided die?Deadmanwalking wrote:The Sarcesian's damage is all screwed up. It says that their rifle does d810 damage, for example. I wouldn't use it as evidence for much of anything.
where to you even find a 810 sided die?Tim Statler2017-09-19T21:25:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Weapon Size in Starfinder.SGPBhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uj3a?Weapon-Size-in-Starfinder#112017-09-19T21:24:20Z2017-09-19T21:24:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Deadmanwalking wrote:</div><blockquote> The Sarcesian's damage is all screwed up. It says that their rifle does d810 damage, for example. I wouldn't use it as evidence for much of anything. </blockquote><p>Seeing as the level 2 sniper rifle does 1d10 damage, it is probably just a typo there. it has a CR of 5, so a level five operative using a sniper rifle would do 1d10+5 due to weapon specialization, fits perfectly. the next higher level sniper is level 8. the dueling sword that is available at the same levels does 1d6 for the level 2 weapon and 2d6 for the level 8 weapon. The Sarcesian's dueling sword does 1d8 damage, thus fitting the idea that larger melee weapons do more damage. Sarcesians are large (tall) creatures with reach. They are about 2x taller than the core races.Deadmanwalking wrote:The Sarcesian's damage is all screwed up. It says that their rifle does d810 damage, for example. I wouldn't use it as evidence for much of anything.
Seeing as the level 2 sniper rifle does 1d10 damage, it is probably just a typo there. it has a CR of 5, so a level five operative using a sniper rifle would do 1d10+5 due to weapon specialization, fits perfectly. the next higher level sniper is level 8. the dueling sword that is available at the same levels does 1d6 for...SGPB2017-09-19T21:24:20Z