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Just was wondering I had a question regarding Misfortune when used with Ill Oman if the benefits stack. For example, if I misfortuned my target and the following round used Ill Oman followed up by my teammate casting a spell against the enemy. Would the enemy roll 4 times and take the lowest result or? Not sure how this works.
Good question. This gets even more annoying with mixing "roll twice and take the worst" with "roll twice and take the best" abilities. We usually just wing it.
Just was wondering I had a question regarding Misfortune when used with Ill Oman if the benefits stack. For example, if I misfortuned my target and the following round used Ill Oman followed up by my teammate casting a spell against the enemy. Would the enemy roll 4 times and take the lowest result or? Not sure how this works.
I'd say creature would roll thrice and take worst.
You normally make a single roll for any action. Since both spells state the same ("roll twice and take the less favorable result") the only way you could make four rolls would be by threating each spell separately so you make two rolls for each of the... but in that scenario the creature would make two "base" rolls for the same action, and if the creature succeeds on the two rolls from ill omen but misses one from misfortune, what would happen?
I'd say so have to convert the "roll twice" from both misfortune and ill omen into two x2 multipliers, then stick to default multiplier rules:
Multiplying: When you are asked to apply more than one multiplier to a roll, the multipliers are not multiplied by one another. Instead, you combine them into a single multiplier, with each extra multiple adding 1 less than its value to the first multiple. For example, if you are asked to apply a ×2 multiplier twice, the result would be ×3, not ×4.
So, the result would be "roll x3 and take worst"
Just was wondering I had a question regarding Misfortune when used with Ill Oman if the benefits stack. For example, if I misfortuned my target and the following round used Ill Oman followed up by my teammate casting a spell against the enemy. Would the enemy roll 4 times and take the lowest result or? Not sure how this works.
I'd say creature would roll thrice and take worst.
You normally make a single roll for any action. Since both spells state the same ("roll twice and take the less favorable result") the only way you could make four rolls would be by threating each spell separately so you make two rolls for each of the... but in that scenario the creature would make two "base" rolls for the same action, and if the creature succeeds on the two rolls from ill omen but misses one from misfortune, what would happen?
I'd say so have to convert the "roll twice" from both misfortune and ill omen into two x2 multipliers, then stick to default multiplier rules:
Multiplying: When you are asked to apply more than one multiplier to a roll, the multipliers are not multiplied by one another. Instead, you combine them into a single multiplier, with each extra multiple adding 1 less than its value to the first multiple. For example, if you are asked to apply a ×2 multiplier twice, the result would be ×3, not ×4.
So, the result would be "roll x3 and take worst"
Good question. This gets even more annoying with mixing "roll twice and take the worst" with "roll twice and take the best" abilities. We usually just wing it.
I'd totally go "roll thrice and take the middle roll" there, with "take worst" and "take best" nullifying themselves... XD
Sounds as good as anything else.
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My GM ruled since the two effects are the same they don't stack. So its roll twice and take the lowest. Sounds like we don't have a clear rule on this one.
Can we get anything official?
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Note: I am biased against this kind of combo, so I tend to give the worst interpretation possible.
Misfortune (Su): The witch can cause a creature within 30 feet to suffer grave misfortune for 1 round. Anytime the creature makes an ability check, attack roll, saving throw, or skill check, it must roll twice and take the worse result.....
Ill Omen
You afflict the target with bad luck. On the next d20 roll the target makes, it must roll twice and take the less favorable result.
Both effect say the same thing. There is a general rule with effect that do the same things: unless differently specified, they don't stack.
So I would say that you roll 2 dice and keep the worst.With the more favorable interpretation the target will have to roll 3 times. 1 for the original d20, 1 for the extra d20 from misfortune, 1 for the extra dice from Ill Omen.
Multiplying: When you are asked to apply more than one multiplier to a roll, the multipliers are not multiplied by one another. Instead, you combine them into a single multiplier, with each extra multiple adding 1 less than its value to the first multiple. For example, if you are asked to apply a ×2 multiplier twice, the result would be ×3, not ×4.
As rolling twice is a penalty, the 2 effects could stack, but the number of rolls would still be limited by the multiplying rule.
Stacking: Stacking refers to the act of adding together bonuses or penalties that apply to one particular check or statistic. Generally speaking, most bonuses of the same type do not stack. Instead, only the highest bonus applies. Most penalties do stack, meaning that their values are added together. Penalties and bonuses generally stack with one another, meaning that the penalties might negate or exceed part or all of the bonuses, and vice versa.
For an official reply, hit FAQ and hope. I doubt you will get it, but we never know.
My GM ruled since the two effects are the same they don't stack. So its roll twice and take the lowest. Sounds like we don't have a clear rule on this one.
It's also a good option, but I'd totally consider the "roll twice" as a penalty, and most penalties do actually stack, opposed to bonuses.
Still, making this particular effect one of the non-stackable penalties (rolling twice and taking worse is painful enough already) is a totally legit option.
Has been FAQ'd thank you
Penalties do stack and Ill-Omen is mind effecting compulsion spell and Misfortune isn't mind effecting and is a supernatural ability, so I'd say they're not the same source either and therefore would stack under the different sources stacking rule.
So I'd go roll 3 times take the worst.
It's not like rolling 3 times is unheard of, time oracles do it sometimes.