Menacing Weapon Property Question


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So player A and player B are flanking an enemy. Player C walks up to said enemy waving around his menacing weapon. Player A and B suddenly each gain an extra 2 AB due to the weapon property. That's a gain of 4 AB for 1 AB/1 damage -- clearly an excellent trade.

Now, the description for Menacing says

"Menacing: This ability can only be placed on a melee weapon. This weapon property helps allies deal with flanked foes. When the wielder is adjacent to a creature that is being flanked by an ally, the flanking bonus on attack rolls for all flanking allies increases by +2. This ability works even if the wielder is not one of the characters flanking the creature."

What happens if the enemy is large (or player C has Gang Up, or something similar)? Does the bonus granted by the weapon go up to +6 total (split across three players) for 1 AB/1 damage? Or does it stay at +4 (split across two players)?

I mean, strictly speaking, even granting an single ally 2 AB in exchange for 1 AB/1 damage is still a superior tradeoff, numbers wise.


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Menacing does what it says it does. There is no limit (other than the physical space required by flankers) to the number of flanking allies that can benefit.

F.F.F
F.x.F
F.M.F

"x" is the target
"M" is the wielder of the menacing weapon
All "F" are flanking allies
Every "F" (and the "M", because you are your own ally) get the flanking bonus they would normally receive increased by +2.

Little changes for a large target

F.F.F.F
F.L.L.F
F.L.L.F
F.M.F.F

the four "L" are the large target
"M" is the wielder of the menacing weapon
All "F" are flanking allies
Every "F" (and the "M", because you are your own ally) get the flanking bonus they would normally receive increased by +2.


SlimGauge wrote:
and the "M", because you are your own ally

Why does Bless say

"Area: The caster and all allies within a 50-ft. burst, centered on the caster"

and Prayer say

"You and each of your allies gain a +1 luck bonus on attack rolls, weapon damage rolls, saves, and skill checks, while each of your foes takes a -1 penalty on such rolls."

Why not just say "All allies..." and "Each ally gains a +1 luck..." in that case?


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Because "Do I count as my own ally ?" is a frequently asked question. They are simply making it crystal clear for Bless and Prayer.

Here's the link => FAQ: Own ally

FAQ wrote:

GM Rules

Ally: Do you count as your own ally?

You count as your own ally unless otherwise stated or if doing so would make no sense or be impossible. Thus, "your allies" almost always means the same as "you and your allies."

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