Always a Chance and firearms misfires

[willuwontu]

How does the champion path ability always a chance and the firearms misfires interact.

PRD wrote:

Always a Chance:

You don't automatically miss when you roll a 1 on an attack roll.

PRD wrote:

Firearms:

Misfires: If the natural result of your attack roll falls within a firearm's misfire value, that shot misses, even if you would have otherwise hit the target. When a firearm misfires, it gains the broken condition. While it has the broken condition, it suffers the normal disadvantages that broken weapons do, and its misfire value increases by 4 unless the wielder has gun training in the particular type of firearm. In that case, the misfire value increases by 2 instead of 4.

Misfires function like natural fumbles, but do they just ignore always a chance since the language is different?

[Dave Justus]

The don't really have anything to do with each other.

Always a chance means a natural 1 is not an automatic miss, but it doesn't have anything to do with the firearms rule at all.

Those would apply as normal.

Basically, Always a chance makes a natural 1 function just like a natural 2 does (except for being 1 lower of course.) When you roll a 2 you add your bonuses and see if you hit. It being a 2 has no effect on the outcome other than being the base number that you roll.

Now, if you are using a firearm with a misfire of 1-2 the 2 matters. Even if you were going against an AC of 10 and had +30 to your attack, you roll a natural 2 and you miss. Always a chance doesn't change any of this, so even though a natural 1 is no longer a automatic miss because of the base combat rules, it is still a misfire and follows the rules for misfires.

[willuwontu]

On that same note, does the misfire rules alter the natural fumble one, so that if you get you misfire down to 0 you don't miss automatically anymore?

[Dave Justus]

willuwontu wrote:

On that same note, does the misfire rules alter the natural fumble one, so that if you get you misfire down to 0 you don't miss automatically anymore?

Nope. The two things are entirely independent.

[willuwontu]

Thanks for the help